Just wondering if i bought fuel injectors from say an eclipse, 450cc or so, would they work on a 2000 accord lx coupe. Or any other car for that matter, are they interchangeable?

 

Why are you wanting to put in bigger injectors?

 

Waste more gas?

 

im turboed, and i need bigger injectors

Edit: but i love the way people dont even answer questions, just proceed to the flaming stage right away--i love the internet

 

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Actually I didn't flame, I stated a question.

If you are FI and need bigger injectors there is some info we need on your part like, psi, fuel management etc oh and year of car and engine is also a plus.

 

Like i said, no one even answered my question.
And i did say what kind of car i have '2000 accord couple lx'. All i wanted to know is, are fuel injectors from different cars interchangeable with accords, thats it, nothing more, nothing less. And to be more precise, are they interchangeable from an eclipse because i found some cheap ones on dsmtrader.com

Edit: It just gets tired when you ask a question, and people respond with questions-- doesnt make any sense. Just be quiet if you cant answer the question, dont question me about my question.

 

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But you have to understand that you are new here and we get these questions all the time and people sometimes do not need bigger injectors due to they think 'more fuel = more power'...well it doesn't work that way.

To answer your question the dsm injectors should work, you just have to bore out a little on the IM and use a spacer (if I remember correctly). There is a link floating around on how to do this I think on http://www.homemadeturbo.com . I know they work on the 90-93 accords and don't see why they wouldn't on the newer accord.

 

i know f22s are peak and holds so dsm 450s are plug and play since theres already a resistor box wired in. i THINK f23s are the same, but im not really familiar with 6th gens.

 

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To answer your question the dsm injectors should work, you just have to bore out a little on the IM and use a spacer (if I remember correctly). There is a link floating around on how to do this I think on http://www.homemadeturbo.com . I know they work on the 90-93 accords and don't see why they wouldn't on the newer accord.</TD></TR></TABLE>

to the original poster, you still haven't told us how you plan to control bigger injectors. you obviously can't run 450's on the stock ECU it will flood and die.

NO you don't bore the IM or use a spacer to fit DSMs!!! You bore out the rubber seal that goes into the IM. No spacer required.

To DSM injectors on a 6th gen you will need the injectors, the injector clips (OBD1), and a resistor box OR inline resistors.

6th gens use saturated injectors and DSMs are peak & hold. If you install them without a resistor box you will fry your ECU's injector drivers.

Now how's that Mr. Hankey? People are responding to your question with questions because you didn't give enough information up front, not to be dicks. No need to get your panties in a bunch.

 

Thanks for the replies that contain actual information, thats all i was asking for. Now, for more questions: What size are stock injectors, and will they be big enough for a 80hp power adder? (i only plan to boost 8psi whenever my turbo finally gets here) if not, how much would it be to chip my ecu, or get another one all-together? Also, what would it even be cost effective to buy DSM injectors if i have to buy the injector clips/ resistor box/ inline resistors, or should i get ones thats made for my car somewhere? And would i have to install a new ecu or have it chipped to get them to work proporly on my car? Oh and would a vafc work for what im trying to do?


Modified by Mr.Hankey at 8:14 PM 6/16/2005

 

stock injectors are 240cc. No they will not be sufficient for 80 hp, unless you use an FMU, and 8 psi+FMU is just too much.

You can not "chip" an OBD2 ECU. You will have to look elsewhere for engine control, be it a piggyback setup (AFC, e-manage) or a standalone (AEM EMS). Or you could convert to OBD1 and run hondata or uberdata.

With OBD2 you will have to replace the injector clips for any aftermarket injector you have no choice. I ran DSMs for a while and have finally stepped up to 750cc high impedance RCs so I don't have to run a resistor box any more.

a VAFC will work for a turbo setup, search afc hack in the FI forum, but you have ZERO control of timing and you will probably end up cracking piston ringlands. I did.

 

okay, obviously i cant afford to crack pistons, thats why im staying at 8ps. Do you think that Apexi safc would work or do i need an ems? Or what would you use now if you knew you werent going to boost very high all the time? (aka something cheap)

Would something like the: APEXi AVC-R actuator valve controller type r boost controller
or http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...=WDVW [TurboXS Dual Stage Boost Controller]


Modified by Mr.Hankey at 9:42 PM 6/16/2005


Modified by Mr.Hankey at 10:41 PM 6/16/2005

 

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NO you don't bore the IM or use a spacer to fit DSMs!!! You bore out the rubber seal that goes into the IM. No spacer required.
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Thats what I couldn't remember...its been years lol, but I knew something had to be bored out .

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IMO the best way to control boost is not to do a afc hack it is to go with something like uberdata or hondata. If you wanted to run afc hack then it will work but in comparison it won't be as efficient. If it were my money and my engine I would run a standalone system and not a afc hack.

If your car has vtec you will need a VAFC not a SAFC...if your car doesn't have vtec then get the safc. Since you are only running low boost it is a safer option to run a hack setup versus a hack setup at 12psi .

 

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I cracked the pistons at about 8 psi on the AFC hack. the timing gets VERY advanced.

If I had it all to do over again I would use the AEM EMS, and would have skipped the FMU and AFC hack all together.

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IMO the best way to control boost is not to do a afc hack it is to go with something like uberdata or hondata. If you wanted to run afc hack then it will work but in comparison it won't be as efficient. If it were my money and my engine I would run a standalone system and not a afc hack.

If your car has vtec you will need a VAFC not a SAFC...if your car doesn't have vtec then get the safc. Since you are only running low boost it is a safer option to run a hack setup versus a hack setup at 12psi .</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ken dude, hate to correct you again but there are some discrepancies here again:

hondata/uberdata require OBD1 to work. if you have to pass a computer emissions test you'll have to swap back to OBD2 every year to pass emissions. big pain in the ***, as you'll also have to swap the IACV for a 2 wire...

6th gens have variable VTEC. The VAFC is NOT SUPPORTED by apex. People have used it, but I highly recommend against it. The SAFC works great, and that's what I used on my AFC hack setup, and if you MUST use an AFC I recommend the SAFC for a 6th gen accord, but recommend against the hack entirely.

If you run higher than ~10 psi on the hack you're in serious danger territory. If you run less than like 8 you're also in serious danger territory. Not a good fuel solution.

-B

 

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hondata/uberdata require OBD1 to work. if you have to pass a computer emissions test you'll have to swap back to OBD2 every year to pass emissions. big pain in the ***, as you'll also have to swap the IACV for a 2 wire...
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I agree it would be a PITA it would provide a better solution than a hack setup (depending on boost amount). I guess the obd gives most tuners a challenge of tuning and passing emissions and I never really thought about all that seeing how I have dealt with only obd 1 cars...I will shut my mouth as it looks like this is out of my realm of knowledge. I also didn't think the 6th gens were variable vtec...guess I was wrong.

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6th gens have variable VTEC. The VAFC is NOT SUPPORTED by apex. People have used it, but I highly recommend against it. The SAFC works great, and that's what I used on my AFC hack setup, and if you MUST use an AFC I recommend the SAFC for a 6th gen accord, but recommend against the hack entirely.

If you run higher than ~10 psi on the hack you're in serious danger territory. If you run less than like 8 you're also in serious danger territory. Not a good fuel solution.

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I did not know that...like I said I guess I should not offer information if I do not know 100% about it, mr hankey I appologize as I didn't know the vafc doesn't support variable vtec.

&lt;==sits in corner with dunce cap .




Modified by .ken at 7:03 PM 6/17/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .ken &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did not know that...like I said I guess I should not offer information if I do not know 100% about it, mr hankey I appologize as I didn't know the vafc doesn't support variable vtec.

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LMAO - easy there killer, have a take off the dunce cap, it's all good!

The reason I chose the AEM setup was for tunability (is that a word?!) and also emissions; so I can swap back to my stock ECU/injectors very easily, pull the wastegate spring, and go pass the computer check. No wiringing or any other crazy stuff necessary.

 

hey guys, i didnt want to start a new thread so i ressurected this one...can someone tell me how much new injectors for the 94 lx accord would cost...f22b2 i think...its the non-vtec sohc...and where you think is the best to get them from...i tried browsing majestic but i couldnt find a header to search under...thanks in advance people.

 

what size injectors do you want to run? ^^^

my 750cc's were like $279, my DSM 450s I got for like $60 w/ clips

 

i just want stock replacements.

 

I dunno then, I have some used F23 injectors I'll sell you CHEAP, but I think 94's are peah & hold, not saturated...

 

need info on dsm injectors own a 91 crx OBD-0 converted OBD-1 but still have resistor box and OBD-0 injectors remaped p28 ecu are dsm injector compatible and what do i need besides injectors have a set but cant tell which gen hellllllllllllpppppppppp