Up until hte last couple of days I was dead set on running Juice for my FI needs, but the last couple of days I have been considering boost. It would take me longer to save up and all, but it might be worth it. One thing that I think is keeping me unsure is the fact that after I buy everything I will need to run my nitrous kit, it will be close to 2 grand, and if I were to save a while longer, I could go with a drag turbo kit. I was planing on going with a NOS DP Fogger system, which is still my choice if I go with juice, but boost has been sounding pretty good as of late. One think I worry about with boost is that alot of people dont last more than 15k miles before they blow their engine. What do you guys think?

 

get a zex kit for $435
purge kit for $90
bottle heater for $100
gauge for $40
buy an ignition for $125
run a 75 shot,
and youre done.

thats less than $800.

 

This is basically a question of personal preference, but we can provide you with some pros and cons.
CONS
Turbo: Lots of maintenance, expensive, if you have turbo related problems you can't drive your car, and it's hard to make a car with a BOV a sleeper.
Nitrous: You're only fast while on the bottle, refills cost $30-$40, and changing nozzles is a pain in the ****.
PROS
Turbo: They sound great, you can increase boost from the comfort of your seat, and the power is always there.
Nitrous: Purging makes the guy next to you shake with fear, you can still drive your car if your nitrous system is broken, and it's not as noticeable to other racers and police.

 

Remember that new clutch that you keep putting off buying.

 

I would be going DP though, and I am going to need another intake manifold for that, need to be able to take it off if needed. Unless you think the service guys at the Honda dealer arent going to give me poo poo for having it. I have two years bumper to bumper warranty, pay a little extra each month, and everything is covered. I dont expect them to pay for somthin I f-up by using nitrous, but dont want them to say that the nitrous was the cause for any little car failure I may have. Plus, I am going to need a nitrous mastermind, which could save me from detonation. The DP kit is rated from 80-225 right, so even on the smallest shot, I will need a high flowing fuel pump. After I rebuild my engine down the road, I am not sure how much juice I could run. Also, it doesnt seem like the HP numbers are the same with boost vs juice. With a 75 shots of juice seems to make you as fast as the boost guys getting 100hp out of their turbo's, is that because juice is so instant, where as with boost the turbo has to spool up. Juice still seems the way to go, but I guess what worries me is the warranty thing. One more thing, how fast would a Lude be with 225 shots of nitrous, on an H22 totally rebuilt with 11.5:1 compression? Any idea's?

 

First off, an 11.5:1 CP is a bit steep if you are going to run over 200HP worth of nitrous injection, IMO. You should be good with 11:.0:1. Secondly, every guy I know who has fooled with their factory turbo, or made a turbo upgrade for their car have a CONSTANT maintenance on them, and there's always something to tune or fix, even if you think you got it covered. They had them installed right too, not half-way done. You'll need a lot of money just to own a turbo-charged car, even after the fact it's already installed and driven. I would go nitrous, because that's what I want to do. Besides, people say nitrous is only power in a button, but if you build your engine well before you juice it, you will have a very quick N/A car on the street for daily driving

 

Thats what I have heard about Turbo kits, but wasnt sure if they were exagerating it or not. I have always like the idea of nitrous, but wasnt sure if I would be limiting myself. I know its very possible to get a Lude into the 13's without boost, so if I had all the bolt ons, head work, and engine reinforcement with upped compression plus a huge shot of nitrous, I should be able to get the kind of times I want. My freinds are going with domestic muscle cars, and the camaro's are going to be hard to beat right from the start, but with bolt ons, and 80shots, I dont think i would have to worry to much. One question, how noticable is the DP nitrous system when installed? In other words, when the hood is up, does it stand out?

 

It is very noticeable. Any idiot can spot it.

 

Oh well, maybe I will just install it and pray that nothing ever goes wrong. My luck isnt that good, but I can always hope.


[Modified by Toretto, 10:07 PM 2/10/2002]

 

get turbo

boost is that much better then nitrous u will grow out the bottle or just get both like me

 

laughin2.2: a clutch shouldnt be a factor, cause you'll need one with either.

you forgot that a turbo is constant stress on the motor, and nitrous is just power at hand. less wear and tear on the engine.

Toretto: why do you need to go direct port? is someone putting a gun to your head thats not allowing you to run a dry kit? you can easily run a dry kit, and if something goes wrong just put your stock air box back on, take your bottle out, and youre fine. my friend had a brand new prelude with a zex kit on it. has a full warranty (a special one since hes honda r&d) and it took him like 15 minutes to strip his nitrous system (zex) out when something went wrong with his car. got everything fixed under warranty, no problems at all. and also, what kind of times are you trying to hit?

 

I plan to run a huge shot down the road, thats why I am going to go ahead and buy the DP Fogger kit, dry kits are limmited to about 75 shots safely. DP is the only way to go with bigger shots. I will be running the lowest shot on my stock engine, but when I can save enough money for an engine rebuild, I will then up the shot. With nitrous, I would only be using it on occasion, but with turbo, I am afraid I would use it at every stop light, which would put alot of stress on my motor, and probably blow after 15-20k miles.

 

I know a stronger clutch is needed for both applications. I was just pointing out that a new clutch will be needed with a 75 shot.

 

Is exhaust and header essential for nitrous? I know it is for turbo, but have been hearing that the stock header is pretty good, and wont see any gains from an aftermarket header. Would it be a good idea to invest in a header and exhaust? What size exhaust?

 

definately in no way essential for nitrous, but enhances it of course. like i said, i ran a 13.9 with an intake and pullies and a 55 shot. i threw the exhaust, header and other **** on, upped my shot and ran a 13.8, so who knows how big of a gain youre gonna get. i would get the exhaust before a header. take your time with it. spend $450 or so on a dry kit (if you'll settle for one) and work from there. you can wait on everything else. i guess thats another advantage, you can get the kit but dont NEED anything else immediately, where as when you go turbo, you have to get everything.

 

Its DP for me. What did you up the shot to? Only a 1/10 of a differance, whats up with that? THe headers and exhaust should have given that much without upping the shot. I will be running an 80shot on the DP kit, along with my CAI, and some racing fuel, hope to fun mid 13's on street tires. Going to the Sport Compact Nationals at Norwalk raceways, hope to do well, and have crazy fun. Juice, need it, want it, must have it soon.

 

why do you need to go direct port? if anything, its more reliable to go with a single fogger kit (or whatever theyre called) because running a small shot direct port isnt the best idea because the jets are super small. but my main question is, why are you so set on direct port?

 

I think I have answered this a few times already, because I am going with a higher shot later on. Dry kits are horrible for higher shots, yes, it would be ok for my stock engine, but then when I want to move up, I would have to go DP, which would cost me more money. A DP Fogger system is safer at 80shots than a dry kit is at 50 shots. Why, because the nitrous and extra fuel are both sprayed into each cylinder, where as with a dry kit, the nitrous is sprayed into the intake, and hopefull gets destributed correctly, and hopefully, the fuel system gets the extra fuel needed to each cylinder. Dry kits are ok up to 75 shots, but if you ever want to go above that, its gotta be DP.