What's the best way to make power in a B18 Non-VTEC without forced induction or an engine swap? I have a 2000 Integra LS. Is there some sort of ECU upgrade or maybe more aggressive cams or something? I've been told that, unless you plan on forced induction or a VTEC swap, there's really no point to playing with the LS motor.

 

LS/VTEC is ok...

Id boost an LS if i had the money, along with many other people, Search and read opinions, there is alot of info on this site.

 

^ He pretty much sumed it up. There is a vast wealth of knowledge in the search and the knowledge base. You can kill and evening in there.

 

get ur i/h/e and when u get tired with those, and have some money, stick in some high compression pistons, and build ur head. but once u go high compression, i wouldnt boost it though. if u have the slightest idea for boosting in the future, id either keep the pistons u have now and live with just i/h/e for now until u have the money for boost. the stock LS is a perfect start for turbo applications.

 

great info

 

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Thats a negative, a fully built Ls non-vtec motor is capable of laying down 180-190whp, and will send you into 12s

 

it would cost too much, just slap a turbo on it and make 300whp on a stock motor and run 11's

 

How much power are you looking for, and how much are you willing to spend?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmhonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it would cost too much, just slap a turbo on it and make 300whp on a stock motor and run 11's</TD></TR></TABLE>...then BOOM! There goes your motor.

 

The most bang for your buck will be intake. In terms of horsepower-per-dollar, that seems to be the most effect. After that, get a Header/High Flow Cat/Catback Exhaust and you'll get some more horses but at a much higher price. After that you can start building the engine itself, cams, pistons, etc....but it'll be costly....the reason I sold my old RS was because I realized I would spend at least a thousand dollars just getting to the point i would have started, stock, with a GS-R

 

i/h/e intake manifold, cams, tuning can all be done on a fairly modest budget. a turbo will be expensive unless you build it on a stock motor, but in that case you will be risking damaging your engine. you could always do a small shot of nitrous.

 

get a clutch i had a centerforce stage 2 in my LS an tanabe super medallion racing
(no cat) i took out the right coner light and mounted a filter and then took out my stock intake and replaced it with a drier hose that was connected to the filter and with that i use to take out b16 coupes all day long and some shitty *** gsr drivers

 

I would suggest the typical I/H/E and a dry nitrous setup. This could all be had for about 1100-1400 depending, and would be good for about 200hp. Without a vtec head you can't do much over 175whp all motor on an LS, so most people boost or spray them

 

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i beg to difer, look up hybrid-vtec and styleteg and look at their results. or go to nonvtec.com and look around there. many ppl have had great sucess with the ls motors, im in the process of building a ls motor. goodluck.....dont under estimate the ls motors..they are potent

 

Turbocharge it and run the sh*t out of it. when it blow just rebuilt the motor and boost it w/ no worry. LS are very good car for turbocharger. Save Your Money. Nothings in life is free.

 

Yeah everyone is saying that a LS is a great motor to boost. This is true but turbo is not for everyone. If this is your first car and this the first time that you are dumping mods into your ride I wouldn't suggest going turbo. Many drivers that start of with turbo blow their motor boosting to much. If you want to drive hard and drive this way daily I would suggest getting some high comp pistons, i/h/e, and every bolt on you can afford, ie. Throttle body, manifold, cams, ignition. And by then if you want to you can go LS Vtec, or change the pistons and Boost. Just be careful in your choice because we arent paying for your mistakes you are.

 

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That's not a very accurate statment. A friend of mine is a B18b nut and is determined to show everyone up with his LS. He got his car dyno'ed at Church Automotive in Torrance, CA. His numbers are 188 h.p AT THE WHEELS and 146lbs torque AT THE WHEELS.

Assuming a 15% drivetrain loss, he's making 216 h.p/ 168 lbs at the crank. No Vtec, no turbo, no nitrous, no b.s.

To put that into perspective: a JDM ITR makes 197h.p and 137lbs-ft.

I know the first thing many of you will say is "it cant be reliable" or "with the money he spent he probably could have bought a B18c5". Well, the answer is yes, it is very reliable when you do it right and dont skimp on details. And yes, with the money he spent he probably could have bought a B18c. But why? he would be slower if he did that...

 

i/h/e will yield close to nothing (unless it's the high dollar stuff). Get a pair of cams/K&N Drop in for a smaller price and more power.

 

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180-190whp will send you to 12s ? are you sure?

 

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180-190whp will send you to 12s ? are you sure?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Maybe he's talking about 1/8 mile times?

 

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Maybe he's talking about 1/8 mile times?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea...no, my ls runs 9.9 in the 1/8 with a slipping clutch. there was a guy here that was running 14.1 on street tires with a ls motor with bumped up compression gsr tranny and i believe a higher redline. he was due to put cams in the motor....so he could be in the 12s with slicks..

 

First off, you can't just put out such a vague question as making hp. You have to have goals. You have to ask yourself, what do I really want. Low end horsepower? Mid range horsepower? High end horsepower? Low end torque? etc. etc. You can't "Lego-build" an engine. Slapping on different aftermarket products won't help you. People will tell you they put on i/h/e and new cam's and other bogus products and their dyno's put out 180hp at 6000 rpms or some bull like that. That may be true, 1% of the time. You have to understand, that just putting on different, newer, more promising items will help you. That is not true. First, you have to understand your engine and its stock flow's and little details like that. Putting on a 2.5in header with a 2in cat is going to kill a lot of potential energy. Just matching up parts people suggest is going to snag up your engine's potential unless you have one HELL of a tuner.
So, I suggest, going to a friend or a mechanic, engine build shop, something like that, and ask questions to him. Find out what you want and then learn about it. The key to bettering your car and engine is knowing where and what you want to better it with.
Oh yeah, naturally aspirated
. Forced induction . Most of this is tads of Michael Delaney's teachings from http://www.team-integra.net. Check that site out under performance forums and under MD's articles, learn your entire car in and out in an evening.

 

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