i searched this and didint get anything so dont whine anyway the f20B looks like a h22a right? and the F20Bwasnt available in the states? and are all accords SOHC besides the 02-up ones? i was wondering aabout all of this so someone help me understand all of this

 

F20B does not look like an H22 the valve covers r diff. plus f20 smaller displacement. Yes most USDM accord were SOHC 96-97 had an optional v6 but i think that was still SOHC then from 98 and above they had the optional 4 cylinders and the V6 which were still SOHC. From 04 and above they were optional with the v6 and a 2.4L DOHC I4 sry i dunno the engine code.

 

k24

 

correct me if im wrong...

f22-soch always
h22-dohc always

 

its just that i seen a pics of accords with H22A engines with them claiming it as a ''F20B'' wich confused me

 

I don't understand why anyone would lie about having an F20B vs. having H22 since the F20B is harder to find parts for and it has less torque, doesn't really make sense...The best bang for the buck in terms of being fairly new and power is the h22 96-00....200HP and 161tq. This engine would probably be the best for people on a budget and what something a little bit newer/more reliable. It's also better for boost when compared to the F20B and older H22's due to compression. Externally the only noticeable difference between the F20B and the H22 is the valve cover. F20B = Blue and H22a = Black..hope that helped.

 

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The JDM DOHC VTEC F20B looks 99% like the h22a, with the exception of the color of the valve cover.

This has been discussed many times in the Prelude and All-motor forums. Please search.

 

f20b is a sick motor, i'd take one over an h22 any day

 

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f22-soch always
h22-dohc always

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ok, i will. japan made an f22b dohc that came in the j-spec prelude si. its basically the same motor as h23a1. i have one. love it

 

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yea, nothing like have less torque, and being complelty unable to tune it without running a standalone

 

yeah, that's pretty much what I said, I love when people are idiots .

 

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mee too

 

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yea, nothing like have less torque, and being complelty unable to tune it without running a standalone</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha uneducated people kick ***, they make me feel so much bettter about my self.

Its odd but my f20b can take my friends h22 hatch(im in a 95 accord ..seems kinda stupid to me too but what do i know ive only had both motors ....and by far the f20b is the better motor

youd probly take a b16 over a type R just cause b16 parts are easier to find


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Modified by machine4321 at 2:19 PM 6/16/2005

 

hahaha b/c crome or uberdata are so expensive & the ability to tune your car definately sucks also.

 

*in my best super hero voice*

"quick accord 387, back to HS.....we do not belong here"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by machine4321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">haha uneducated people kick ***, they make me feel so much bettter about my self.

Its odd but my f20b can take my friends h22 hatch(im in a 95 accord ..seems kinda stupid to me too but what do i know ive only had both motors ....and by far the f20b is the better motor

youd probly take a b16 over a type R just cause b16 parts are easier to find


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care to explain why its a better motor....im not challenging or attacking you, im just interested to hear you say why.....on paper, it seems the h22 would always be a better choice, unless you REALLY like the color blue.....

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im not sure exactly what your saying here, if its sarcastic or not, but those dont work on an OBDII motor

 

theres a few reasons...its gonna depend on what over all plans are for the motor

internally the f20b is probly one of the strongest motosa honda has made ,remember why it was made(the only reason it was made was due to a 2.0 liter cap on the jgtcc ,liek most racing in a stock type class so many production modles have to be made )

also this motor was a test bed for the f20c s2000 engine ..hence why it was built so well .

this motor comes factory with smoother port surface,factory 3 angle valve job ,iron sleeves
aftermarket style rods that dont use nut and bolt . not to metiong high veolicty port bigger cams and higher compression.

i think this motor will respond top mods better then the h22 will ..
........im getting kicked out of work ..ill continue when i get home in a few min

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by machine4321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres a few reasons...its gonna depend on what over all plans are for the motor

internally the f20b is probly one of the strongest motosa honda has made ,remember why it was made(the only reason it was made was due to a 2.0 liter cap on the jgtcc ,liek most racing in a stock type class so many production modles have to be made )

also this motor was a test bed for the f20c s2000 engine ..hence why it was built so well .

this motor comes factory with smoother port surface,factory 3 angle valve job ,iron sleeves
aftermarket style rods that dont use nut and bolt . not to metiong high veolicty port bigger cams and higher compression.

i think this motor will respond top mods better then the h22 will ..
........im getting kicked out of work ..ill continue when i get home in a few min</TD></TR></TABLE>

see, i never knew some of that stuff, other than it was a testbed for the f20c/f22c......interesting stuff....whatever you've got, lemme have it...
are there conversion harness for OBDI for it?

 

ok im home ...lets see

any who ...the main reason a made the switch was my individual throttle boddies ..on the h22 they worked good but in my head i saw them working better with the f20b..plus i needed more compression but didnt have the money to sleve the h22 ..the f20b having iron sleeves (plus higher compression)was a better option ..

the itbs work much better with the high rod/stroke ratio of the f20b...it pulls strong up to 8000rpm and with valve train and cams/good header these motors have been reved to 9000rpm on stock bottom end .(again they were desinged for road racing )

people are quick to point out the lower tourgue number but in all honesty i dotn notice it ..mabye around 2500 to 3500 i do but this thing revs so effortlessly it is no problem cruising at 4000+rpm where as with my h22 it just didnt feel /or sound like it enjoyed this much ..
with the higher r/s ratio there is less wear on the motor comparied to one with a lower r/s...although you have to rev it more it kinda equals out .

thats all i can really think of right now im all messed up cause i had to stop and start agin lol

search for f20 or f20b theres tons of threads by me and others that really have any info i missed

oh and this motr is runnign obd1 on my car ...its simple to tune although i have heard problems when goign obd1 but i have had noen

all i needed to do was used obd1 dizzy and obd1 injectors

i run crome with the ITBS

i love this motor and will never go back to the h22 ..no reason really i loved my h22 but this is just more my style ...if it was shear torque you wanted slevving/boreing a h22 it would be a monster ..however when this f20 of mine is done ...stock bottom end with a bit more compression ..good header larger itbs and a big set of cams i thikn it will be high 220 and if im lucky mabye higher

 

do you remember what the difference in cost was between your H and the F??

im assuming the swap is the exact same in terms of mounts, wiring, etc

 

well the drivers mount had to be changed to h23 or any usdm accodr..(the part on the motor not the rubber mount )

3 years ago i paid 3500 canadian for my h22 swap

the f20b in a 5 speed with the original t2t4 tranny is about 4500 us ..but there hard to find

however auto motors are easier to come by (i have ) despite being 20hp down my f20b is still faster then mu h22 was but i tihnk the power difference lies in the ecu tune and auto tranny eating up the power

 

oh yea down fall to this motor is if i ever drop a valve or somthign im screwed lol ..its very hard to get parts for these motors but that was a risk i took ...they can be had for cheap ..so i would just buy a new one ..i got mine for 1500 canadian

 

look around, I'm almost 100% that the F20B is considerably more expensive than the h22. However, the F20B is newer in most cases...

 

i got mine for 1500 canadian with no tranny

for a real complet 5 speed there worth about 3500 but people try to sell them for 4500 but its to much