Well I took my car (6hr drive) to Xact Dyno in Phoenix, AZ this weekend to have my car dynoed. I just recently installed my ctr pistons and switched over to a hondata unit (s200). The dyno was a hub type, really cool compared to a roller dyno IMO. My car is a 00 civic Si. Mods are CTR's (81mm), Toda B's, gears, springs, belt. S2 Inake Mani, J's intake, junk DC jdm header, 2.5 exhaust, Spoon n1, Fuel-Prelude injectors and BM FPR all controlled by a s200. After all was said and done 173 whp and 116 flbs. Inside the shop I dynoed in was 103 degrees damn AZ is hot. I'll post the graph when I get some more time.

 

what were you expecting out of it?

did you reach your goal or not?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gilbert_619 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what were you expecting out of it?

did you reach your goal or not?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am happy with it, my car runs great now, great midrange, great idle, well worth the tune. I picked up 14 hp and about 12 ftlbs with the piston install. I would run more compression but I am only running 91 octane. I didn't think toda b's made power past 8500 but on the dyno there was a spike at 8700 and they were still making power, I need to port and polish my head now.

 

ditch the dc header and youll see some good gains

 

Not impressed

 

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Wow and nobody here cares if you are.
People share their results to help others with comparisons and ideas on what works for them. At least this guy posted his results after his mods..

 

Good job i think with a better header and maybe a better day u will see some good results....

 

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Wow and nobody here cares if you are.
People share their results to help others with comparisons and ideas on what works for them. At least this guy posted his results after his mods..</TD></TR></TABLE>


Obviously you care enough to respond to my snub remark. Anyway, sounds like this guy has a bigger issues than some crappy headers. Those HP #'s are very low.

 

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Let the man post a graph of the dyno. Let's take a look at that power/torque curve before we say they're bad numbers. Besides, he's happy with the results, and that's what matters. It's his car. Additionally, like Tbone was saying, this is information for all of us to use anyway.

Oh and, for the record, they do seem a bit low, I made similar whp numbers with my stock block GS-R and Toda A's and about 13 ft lbs more torque, but like I said, the curve is what matters.

 

numbers seem good for the list of mods, todas are a more mid range than peak power, should be a nice curve

 

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Thanks for the IM. I was trying to defend you.... peep the conversation folks; 5 minutes after I made the post:

Steve the Storm: you little bitch
alfaaay: what?
alfaaay: who is this
Steve the Storm: dont put words into my mouth
alfaaay: what are you talking about
alfaaay: ?
Steve the Storm: listen you little turd,,,,i never said i was happy with my numbers
Steve the Storm: you are putting words into my mouth
alfaaay: are you KidLoco51 on HT
alfaaay: ?
Steve the Storm: my dyno numbers suck for all the money i spent on yhis car
Steve the Storm: yes
Steve the Storm: so dude just STFU when it comes to my car
alfaaay: wow, you're trippin bro. I was trying to defend you. Besides, read you're second post. You said you were happy.
alfaaay: don't be a dick.
alfaaay: peace

 

there's more... he kept going:

alfaaay: don't be a dick.
alfaaay: peace
Steve the Storm: na dude....just stop saying things..like im happy
Steve the Storm: im very dissapointed with my number and quit picking on my Ivan...we are good friends
Steve the Storm: and dont forget this you dirty little bitch
alfaaay: whatever man, don't IM me with that bullshit then...
Steve the Storm: stay the F out of my thread plain and simple..you ugly freak
Steve the Storm signed off at 11:16:53 PM.

Grow up man. I'm not one for E-Thuggin, but that was just rediculous, had to let people see it...

 

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Let the man post a graph of the dyno. Let's take a look at that power/torque curve before we say they're bad numbers. Besides, he's happy with the results, and that's what matters. It's his car. Additionally, like Tbone was saying, this is information for all of us to use anyway.

Oh and, for the record, they do seem a bit low, I made similar whp numbers with my stock block GS-R and Toda A's and about 13 ft lbs more torque, but like I said, the curve is what matters.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Dude are you trying to knock me while agreeing with me? ....After reading this post i dont blame the owner getting pissed of at you for interfering with some BS response like the one above.

 

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I'm NOT agreeing with you. There's more to dyno results than peak numbers. True, they seem low for peak numbers (which I stated), but read my post again, I said that doesn't really matter if the power/tq curve is nice.

 

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I'm NOT agreeing with you. There's more to dyno results than peak numbers. True, they seem low for peak numbers (which I stated), but read my post again, I said that doesn't really matter if the power/tq curve is nice.</TD></TR></TABLE>


So if the power/tq curve is nice and the numbers are low you would be satisfied with this?...If this is the jive you are trying to push i would be interested in you explanation.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ivan Drago &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So if the power/tq curve is nice and the numbers are low you would be satisfied with this?...If this is the jive you are trying to push i would be interested in you explanation. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, this guy Steve did tell me to stay out of his thread, but this will be useful:
-Okay, take two different setups, or even the same setup tuned differently. One ends up making 200 whp or so at 8000 RPM with a flat, pretty low curve that spikes at say, 7500 or something. The other makes 175 whp at 7000 RPM. and power stays fairly consistent all the way to redline, which we'll say is 8500 RPM. The lower horsepower car will win in a race if all other variables are kept constant because it has a fatter power band. It might be making less power, but for a substantially longer time. That means that collectively, it's applying more power to the wheels. Hope that makes sense. It's a purely theoretical situation, but it's exactly what happens in real life.

 

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Well, this guy Steve did tell me to stay out of his thread, but this will be useful:
-Okay, take two different setups, or even the same setup tuned differently. One ends up making 200 whp or so at 8000 RPM with a flat, pretty low curve that spikes at say, 7500 or something. The other makes 175 whp at 7000 RPM. and power stays fairly consistent all the way to redline, which we'll say is 8500 RPM. The lower horsepower car will win in a race if all other variables are kept constant because it has a fatter power band. It might be making less power, but for a substantially longer time. That means that collectively, it's applying more power to the wheels. Hope that makes sense. It's a purely theoretical situation, but it's exactly what happens in real life.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I see where you are coming from and agree

 

What the **** happened to my thread? I am really confused....Why the hell are you guys arguing? As I metnioned before I am pleased with my results given circumstances, of course everyone wants more HP and TQ. I just posted so that others could see what these combos of parts may put down. This thread turned to ****

 

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Thanks for the IM. I was trying to defend you.... peep the conversation folks; 5 minutes after I made the post:

Steve the Storm: you little bitch
alfaaay: what?
alfaaay: who is this
Steve the Storm: dont put words into my mouth
alfaaay: what are you talking about
alfaaay: ?
Steve the Storm: listen you little turd,,,,i never said i was happy with my numbers
Steve the Storm: you are putting words into my mouth
alfaaay: are you KidLoco51 on HT
alfaaay: ?
Steve the Storm: my dyno numbers suck for all the money i spent on yhis car
Steve the Storm: yes
Steve the Storm: so dude just STFU when it comes to my car
alfaaay: wow, you're trippin bro. I was trying to defend you. Besides, read you're second post. You said you were happy.
alfaaay: don't be a dick.
alfaaay: peace</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah just a little info, that wasn't me who was IM'ing you? What the **** is going on? Someone was trying to defend me...I feel special. Well Alfaaay no hard feelings, Kidloco doesn't want a bad rep.

 

those are good numbers IMO.

I had the same setup but with a stock b16 block. i made 175/120 with a stock ITR TB/mani combo. Peaked about 8400 or so.

Then i tuned the motor with a 70-65mm taper ITR TB and aebs manifold which has a 65mm inlet. I had to leave the intake cam advanced at +4, to move the power before 9000 rpms. Made 169/116.

Too bad you had to travel that far, but i would be satisified with those numbers. If you have any money to spend later on a retune and patience, experience is worth it.

Try a stock b16 TB/mani combo. You should make the most area under the curve up to 8200 rpms or so with that combo. Bigger isn't always better, you know.

 

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what's your killer setup? Probably took the easy way out and slapped on a turbo, bet then again your peak hp numbers don't mean anything. I'll run you anyday.

 

Yeah I think the Skunk 2 mani made a pretty nasty dip in the Tq curve midrange, then picked up at the topend.
How much power could one expect from a nice header-Hytech,SMSP etc.... with my mods?

 

Try a Toda header for your setup.

Plus i would seriously ditch the Skunk2 manifold for an ITR manifold like i had with ITR TB. It's all trial and error, but it's also common sense too. For your displacement the b16 TB/mani is a good choice. Plus you save money too.

ppl go overkill with manifolds and TB's for 1.6L and 1.8L's.

 

i think the numbers seem right. I mean with a better header and p&p he should be in the late 180's - early 190's.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kidloco51 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I took my car (6hr drive) to Xact Dyno in Phoenix, AZ this weekend to have my car dynoed. I just recently installed my ctr pistons and switched over to a hondata unit (s200). The dyno was a hub type, really cool compared to a roller dyno IMO. My car is a 00 civic Si. Mods are CTR's (81mm), Toda B's, gears, springs, belt. S2 Inake Mani, J's intake, junk DC jdm header, 2.5 exhaust, Spoon n1, Fuel-Prelude injectors and BM FPR all controlled by a s200. After all was said and done 173 whp and 116 flbs. Inside the shop I dynoed in was 103 degrees damn AZ is hot. I'll post the graph when I get some more time. </TD></TR></TABLE>I make 180whp with +/- the same setup

B16A Long Block
CTR Pistons
TODA B's
Skunk2 Titanium Retainers
TODA Valves Springs
TODA Flywheel
Stock Intake Manifold
Stock throttle
Stock Injectors
ICEMAN Intake
JDM DC Header
P30 JDM With Erick's Racing Program

Modified by naldy_honda at 2:21 PM 5/24/2005


Modified by naldy_honda at 2:22 PM 5/24/2005