New era of power motors - S2000 stock w/ boltons 220rwhp
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Just hopped on the dyno this weekend at DRTRacing.com, had Ralphy tune my s2000 to almost 220whp on a dynjet at the rear wheels ... only mods on this car is
Toda header
Testpipe
exhaust
AEM EMS
stock intake system and fully stock motor.
I know the K-series is close to this but they are FWD, this is pushing this much power at the rear wheels.
I also had some Work Emotion R wheels on which are pretty heavy compared to stock wheels. That must have eaten away some power too.
I have some videos I'll post up later.
Greg
Toda header
Testpipe
exhaust
AEM EMS
stock intake system and fully stock motor.
I know the K-series is close to this but they are FWD, this is pushing this much power at the rear wheels.
I also had some Work Emotion R wheels on which are pretty heavy compared to stock wheels. That must have eaten away some power too.
I have some videos I'll post up later.
Greg
Dam, those are great numbers with those mods. I remember all the previous s2000 owners were struggling just to hit that much power. Idont really recall anyone making that much power allmotor with those mods.
Nice
we only got 202 out of a VAFC, AEM intake, and Spugen exhaust. I was still happy though. How much do you feel the header did for you?
Ultimates turbo kit is going on it this week. I almost hate to do it, the S is such an all-motor car. It's not mine though and that's what the customer wants. The S2K will definately be my next ride...I have fallen deeply in love with this drop top while it has been in my care. The Tein's with the EDFC and a set of 18 Volk Gramlights have taken it from a relatively squirrely car to a very predicatable corner pounding go-cart. lol
we only got 202 out of a VAFC, AEM intake, and Spugen exhaust. I was still happy though. How much do you feel the header did for you?
Ultimates turbo kit is going on it this week. I almost hate to do it, the S is such an all-motor car. It's not mine though and that's what the customer wants. The S2K will definately be my next ride...I have fallen deeply in love with this drop top while it has been in my care. The Tein's with the EDFC and a set of 18 Volk Gramlights have taken it from a relatively squirrely car to a very predicatable corner pounding go-cart. lol
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by moto1320 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice
we only got 202 out of a VAFC, AEM intake, and Spugen exhaust. I was still happy though. How much do you feel the header did for you?
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yeah, 202hp is within the norm, I made 205 on the portable dyno at the track at one NHRA event.
I know the Toda header and the AEM EMS combined is good for about 16 peak hp.
I'm not sure about the AEM intake mod, I'm goign with the stock airbox modded a bit with the snorkel and see how that reacts.
Trying to find some N2 Toda cams as well, apparently the 2.2liter S2K in DR made about 220ish on stock cams then with the Todas was low 230s again with tuning.
Yeah boosting the S2K is too easy, here it will put me in the same class with the turbo civics, this cars weighs close to 3000 lbs with me, so that wont be fair. At least in the allmotor Comp4 class I run against ITRs and GSRs that are somewhat heavy and only lighter than my S2K by 400 lbs
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MI4DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dam, those are great numbers with those mods. I remember all the previous s2000 owners were struggling just to hit that much power. Idont really recall anyone making that much power allmotor with those mods.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah I talk to Vapor on the S2K forum, he's in the 240hp range with a relatively stock motor. He has some manifold coming out that he'll also be trying.
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we only got 202 out of a VAFC, AEM intake, and Spugen exhaust. I was still happy though. How much do you feel the header did for you?
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yeah, 202hp is within the norm, I made 205 on the portable dyno at the track at one NHRA event.
I know the Toda header and the AEM EMS combined is good for about 16 peak hp.
I'm not sure about the AEM intake mod, I'm goign with the stock airbox modded a bit with the snorkel and see how that reacts.
Trying to find some N2 Toda cams as well, apparently the 2.2liter S2K in DR made about 220ish on stock cams then with the Todas was low 230s again with tuning.
Yeah boosting the S2K is too easy, here it will put me in the same class with the turbo civics, this cars weighs close to 3000 lbs with me, so that wont be fair. At least in the allmotor Comp4 class I run against ITRs and GSRs that are somewhat heavy and only lighter than my S2K by 400 lbs
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yeah I talk to Vapor on the S2K forum, he's in the 240hp range with a relatively stock motor. He has some manifold coming out that he'll also be trying.
Greg
Sweet numbers!
On a side note, my dad's '04 S2000 made 210 whp on a portable DynoJet bone stock, two weeks after he rolled it off the showroom floor.
I wish my B-motor would make gains like that.
On a side note, my dad's '04 S2000 made 210 whp on a portable DynoJet bone stock, two weeks after he rolled it off the showroom floor.
I wish my B-motor would make gains like that.
220 whp is normal on an S with an AEM EMS, even aem advertises those gains because of the way the stock ecu restricts the car so much.
but none of the less great advertisement for DRT
but none of the less great advertisement for DRT
next mod should be itb's no doubt... if you are stay all motor.
well as long as that is legal in the class you are racing in. boy would that thing like itbs
well as long as that is legal in the class you are racing in. boy would that thing like itbs
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pr0honda »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">next mod should be itb's no doubt... if you are stay all motor.
well as long as that is legal in the class you are racing in. boy would that thing like itbs</TD></TR></TABLE>
naaa, not necessarily ... I have ITBs ... when an Endyn manifold comes out for this motor, there will be alot more power to have for allmotor, especially if design is similar to current AIR/Endyn manifold design.
The 2.2 liters make gobs of torque and hp earlier, kind of reminds me of the 1.6 vs 1.8 comparison of the b-series.
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well as long as that is legal in the class you are racing in. boy would that thing like itbs</TD></TR></TABLE>
naaa, not necessarily ... I have ITBs ... when an Endyn manifold comes out for this motor, there will be alot more power to have for allmotor, especially if design is similar to current AIR/Endyn manifold design.
The 2.2 liters make gobs of torque and hp earlier, kind of reminds me of the 1.6 vs 1.8 comparison of the b-series.
Greg
Didnt pacman from the westcoast made like 260ish whp on his s2k stock form with just ITBs hytech header and exhasut tuned on AEM EMS?
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I think so IIRC, but that may have been on Church's dyno.
I think so IIRC, but that may have been on Church's dyno.
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i think the motor has more power to be had plus the wheels are heavy and just eating away power. We were tuning away run after run without cooling down.
If there's more power in it, believe me we'll pull it out LOL.
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If there's more power in it, believe me we'll pull it out LOL.
Greg
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CHEETAH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the motor has more power to be had plus the wheels are heavy and just eating away power. We were tuning away run after run without cooling down.
If there's more power in it, believe me we'll pull it out LOL.
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Good times man, keep up the awsome work.
If there's more power in it, believe me we'll pull it out LOL.
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Good times man, keep up the awsome work.
so you think the endyn intake manifold will make more than itb's?<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CHEETAH »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
naaa, not necessarily ... I have ITBs ... when an Endyn manifold comes out for this motor, there will be alot more power to have for allmotor, especially if design is similar to current AIR/Endyn manifold design.
The 2.2 liters make gobs of torque and hp earlier, kind of reminds me of the 1.6 vs 1.8 comparison of the b-series.
Greg
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naaa, not necessarily ... I have ITBs ... when an Endyn manifold comes out for this motor, there will be alot more power to have for allmotor, especially if design is similar to current AIR/Endyn manifold design.
The 2.2 liters make gobs of torque and hp earlier, kind of reminds me of the 1.6 vs 1.8 comparison of the b-series.
Greg
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why there aint no people running this car for all motor class???
since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp
since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Carlo Gambino »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why there aint no people running this car for all motor class???
since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll give you 1 guess and it starts with $
since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'll give you 1 guess and it starts with $
Maybe a Js header will help extract some more..... I believe A&J Racing may have some dyno info about the gains they experienced with the Js setup....
220rwhp..... time to make an adapter plate to mate up with a K20 tranny and throw it into a Civic/Integra.....
220rwhp..... time to make an adapter plate to mate up with a K20 tranny and throw it into a Civic/Integra.....
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its the weight of the s2k chassis that holds back many. Full race out chassis will still probably yield way over 2000 lbs.
Yeah the j's header may be a bit more, but HyTech will kill all from what I saw.
I have some videos I need download off my palm
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Yeah the j's header may be a bit more, but HyTech will kill all from what I saw.
I have some videos I need download off my palm
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since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
Weight aside, it's just not where the car shines..on the 1320 that is. Like a type-r, it is greater than the sum of it's parts and has too much going for it to be wasted, especially at it's price, going in a straight line. Also, the S is already high strung from the factory. A mid 200 Hp 2 liter motor out of the box is hard to improve upon. The head is already ahead of it's time, not too much room to gain there, header is pretty good for stock too. Compression is already high....just not much room to grow without deep pockets.
Sidestep it one good time and you will be one of many to take out your clutch and/or differential (which has a 3000.00 tag from Honda if memory serves) so driveline reinforcements are also required.
We had the S out in the country and my business partners Hatch with a stock JDM GSR swap in it and the S couldn't shake it period until the corners. that cost him 5 grand bumper to bumper. The S with purchase price is already in the mid-high 30's and not done by a long shot. I anticipate about 45K in it at the end and still not a capable drag car (not that that's what we're building) . Maybe maybe 7 in the Hatch once it's really built...at which point it will still run with the S which will be wearing a turbo and the hatch being a daily all motor.
since it got a lot of benefit i think, RWD for better 60ft , and very2 nice motor.. maybe a fully built s2k with 2.2/2.4 L could produce above 300whp</TD></TR></TABLE>
Weight aside, it's just not where the car shines..on the 1320 that is. Like a type-r, it is greater than the sum of it's parts and has too much going for it to be wasted, especially at it's price, going in a straight line. Also, the S is already high strung from the factory. A mid 200 Hp 2 liter motor out of the box is hard to improve upon. The head is already ahead of it's time, not too much room to gain there, header is pretty good for stock too. Compression is already high....just not much room to grow without deep pockets.
Sidestep it one good time and you will be one of many to take out your clutch and/or differential (which has a 3000.00 tag from Honda if memory serves) so driveline reinforcements are also required.
We had the S out in the country and my business partners Hatch with a stock JDM GSR swap in it and the S couldn't shake it period until the corners. that cost him 5 grand bumper to bumper. The S with purchase price is already in the mid-high 30's and not done by a long shot. I anticipate about 45K in it at the end and still not a capable drag car (not that that's what we're building) . Maybe maybe 7 in the Hatch once it's really built...at which point it will still run with the S which will be wearing a turbo and the hatch being a daily all motor.
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yeah, can';t compare the S to a hatch on straightline acceleration ... the weight difference alone of anywhere between 600-800 lbs is a huge difference.
Handling on the twisties is probably the only place to catch up against a civic hybrid.
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Handling on the twisties is probably the only place to catch up against a civic hybrid.
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.....why hasn't anyone developed an f20c mount kit for the ef? 
I mean, all you need is an adaptor plate for a b or k series tranny and some motor mounts..... SHEESH!
Good #'s greg!!!

I mean, all you need is an adaptor plate for a b or k series tranny and some motor mounts..... SHEESH!

Good #'s greg!!!
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its a 2001 ... doesn;t matter since ECU was replaced with an AEM EMS.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....why hasn't anyone developed an f20c mount kit for the ef?
I mean, all you need is an adaptor plate for a b or k series tranny and some motor mounts..... SHEESH!
Good #'s greg!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks ... I think only the k series tranny with adapter because of the direction the engine spins ... the current f-series tranny bolts up but tranny spins c/c vs motor spins c'wise
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its a 2001 ... doesn;t matter since ECU was replaced with an AEM EMS.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">.....why hasn't anyone developed an f20c mount kit for the ef?
I mean, all you need is an adaptor plate for a b or k series tranny and some motor mounts..... SHEESH!
Good #'s greg!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks ... I think only the k series tranny with adapter because of the direction the engine spins ... the current f-series tranny bolts up but tranny spins c/c vs motor spins c'wise
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I slapped myself in the forehead after I wrote that..... but yeah, the k20R 6-speed would be
with s2k motor in a hatch..... mmmmm.....
And since it's a cable tranny, you can decide if you want to make it MR or FF.....
with s2k motor in a hatch..... mmmmm..... And since it's a cable tranny, you can decide if you want to make it MR or FF.....





What are the specifics on the header? diameters, collectors, configuration?