Hello Guys, some of you may know I am doing a ground up build on a 85 CRX, and I want to get started on the motor, I want it to be Turboed and I want 250 or more HP at the wheels.

Here is the thing I all ready have a D16a1 (close to a zc) and all the swap gear and every thing so I could spend ALL of my money just building up the motor

OR I could Buy a b16a1/mounts and every thing else That I need just to do the swap and have less money to build up the B16

250+ HP at the wheels I want to over build every thing and ues really good parts the #1 objective is it has to be relieable

Here is a link to my build trend if you are intrested: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1206017

 

In my opinion, I would go with the b16 it will be more expensive, but also b16s have a lot more aftermarket support, it sounds cooler . Either engine you can turbo past 250whp. The cost effective option is the ZC, normaly people buy those because they are cheaper and more expendable, blow one throw another in. The b16 will need more wiring, little more $$. Im not sure about much on 1st gens but wont it be more work and fabrication to do a turbob16 than the zc? All you will mainly need for boost is sleeved(or not), high hp axles, fuel pump, injecters, valves/springs, etc, so either way Id go with the b16 which you already have a 30 hp advantage from the start.
b16

 

just looked at your pics. good luck with the build

 

turbo zc is alot cheaper, motor is cheaper, turbo parts are cheaper, but in the end you are limited by how much power you can make, probalby wont ever make more than 300-350whp

turbo b16a on the other hand the skys the limit. you could hit 550-600hp depending on your cash flow.

You do need to keep in mind the lack of room for tubo b16a in a 1g, it was a tight enough fit in my 2g

 

hmmm well the thing is that I am not really looking for the cheepest way to do it but more like the best way to do with the money I Have.... I think I confused every one with my first post...

Here is what I am trying to ask, if I have 5000 dollars, I could spend ALL 5000 on building/turboing my zc OR I could spend 3000 on a complete b16a1 swap and then 2000 on turboing the b16a1...

SO what is a better 250hp motor a very well built ZC or a mostly stock boosted B16a1? for the same price both would be about the same price if you catch my drift

 

That depends though, is 5000 going to be the max you will spend? or just for right now? What are the long term goals. From the looks of that cage, seems like your planning for more than 250whp.

 

u dont need to sleeve the b16 imo. 14psi daily no issues. all you need is low comp pistons, rods, bearings and a block guard. mildly upgrade valvetrain for gsr, type r cams or in the case of a miss shift

 

Oh, Well in that case, Id still go with the b16. Aftermarket parts= not as reliable than stock honda parts, ive seen some stock boosted b16s but I think they boost it a max of 230-250. Wow, 14 psi on stock b16? Could you post or tell me your set up?

 

no mine is built

 

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I will probly spend more than 5000 on the motor but thats what I am shooting for if I spend more then my HP will go up as a result but I really want it to be relieable. so I can enjoy it.

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If I went b16 I was thinking just doing a OEM rebuild with some good head studs and a better head gasket, a homemade turbo kit with turbo edit. and that would take most of the money.

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what type of times/power are you getting and what type of car is it in?


Thanks for helping every one, and I really am trying to fugure out the best set up for my needs

 

holy crap, just went thru the six pages. good stuff man!!! but if i were you and if your going thru all this trouble on the chassis, dont cheap out on the motor area. make the best of your wieght reduction, drop a h22 or something so youd really have an awesome tq/wieght ratio.. your already doing some welding and fabbing make up some mounts and squeez her in!

 

Go b series it will be a better all round car

 

Also keep in mind that not only the B16A engine, but also all the drivetrain parts, are stronger.

 

yeah, i'm normally a d man, but i'd go with b if you want the reliability. d series's are cheap, but stuff like trannys tend to break a lot. and zc's, no matter what people tend to argue, tend to lose bearings when spun too high with too much power.

every zc except one that i've seen, that was its cause of death, as opposed to most a6's i've seen that it was usually the headgasket or just the sleeves and piston rings worn out.

but, the b-series trannies are a LOT stronger than d series, so if you're looking to keep it reliable, go with that.