spring rate?
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spring rate?
are the spring rates different on the skunk 2 coil overs between vehicles. like if i got the set for an integra the spring rates would be higher than for my crx. therefore i would potentially have a better setup for handeling with the slightly higher spring rate. or should i just get the set specifically for my car. ( i am talking about the skunk 2 sleeve coil overs)
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Re: spring rate? (slow91crx)
skunk2 seems to be like omnipower that sells the same set of springs for EVERY application from a crx to an integra to an accord to even a WRX.
if you want a custom setup, buy ground controls and order your own spring rates.
if you want a custom setup, buy ground controls and order your own spring rates.
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Re: spring rate? (slow91crx)
Nothing stupid about it; what it is is economical. A lot of the time, you need to purchase a very large reel of wire in order to produce your coils, and one reel yeilds a LOT of coils. Since you can only get 1 spring rate from each reel, you need to make the compromise between cost and tailored spring rates.
If a manufacturer offers several spring rates, its likely that you will find one that will match your car. The important thing is to make sure that the dampers they pair it with are properly valved for the application.
If a manufacturer offers several spring rates, its likely that you will find one that will match your car. The important thing is to make sure that the dampers they pair it with are properly valved for the application.
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Re: spring rate? (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
if you want a custom setup, buy ground controls and order your own spring rates. </TD></TR></TABLE>
high spring rates+koni yellows=
if you want a custom setup, buy ground controls and order your own spring rates. </TD></TR></TABLE>
high spring rates+koni yellows=
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Re: spring rate? (eMpAtHy)
i meant it seems kind of cheap for the customer. good for the maker of the springs and cost effective for them. anyhow i have the kyb agx right now so i am still looking into those custom rated ground controls.
Re: spring rate? (slow91crx)
Just call up GC and tell them what your going to be using your car for. They will recomend some special rates for you, that you are going to be really happy with...
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Re: spring rate? (Noob4life)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Since you can only get 1 spring rate from each reel </TD></TR></TABLE>
wrong.
wrong.
Re: spring rate? (vtecvoodoo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing stupid about it; what it is is economical. A lot of the time, you need to purchase a very large reel of wire in order to produce your coils, and one reel yeilds a LOT of coils. Since you can only get 1 spring rate from each reel, you need to make the compromise between cost and tailored spring rates.
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You can use the same wire, cut to different lenghts, to make different spring rates. It can even be wound unevely to make progressive rates. The fact of the matter is, they are selling CHEAP parts (bought in bulk), that are NOT matched to your ride. "The proof is in the puding". S2 & Omni are not performance parts. They are bling, and bling alone...
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You can use the same wire, cut to different lenghts, to make different spring rates. It can even be wound unevely to make progressive rates. The fact of the matter is, they are selling CHEAP parts (bought in bulk), that are NOT matched to your ride. "The proof is in the puding". S2 & Omni are not performance parts. They are bling, and bling alone...
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Re: spring rate? (Noob4life)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Noob4life »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nothing stupid about it; what it is is economical. .</TD></TR></TABLE>
it only benifits the manufacture. explain to me how something like a 2000lbs CRX can run the same springs as a 3000lbs Accord (both with the double withbone). then explain to me how you can again carry those same rates over to a WRX that has Mac struts and weights in at around 3000lbs, the spring to wheel ratios from a CRX to a Wrx are different
it only benifits the manufacture. explain to me how something like a 2000lbs CRX can run the same springs as a 3000lbs Accord (both with the double withbone). then explain to me how you can again carry those same rates over to a WRX that has Mac struts and weights in at around 3000lbs, the spring to wheel ratios from a CRX to a Wrx are different
Re: spring rate? (slow91crx)
Ground Control coilovers & Koni Sport's (what else 
)...
Not trying to play the "bandwagon" card, but these products are VERY good (***cough-liftime warranty-cough***). I've had custom rate ground control coilovers for years now and I love them. I recently got a set of Koni sport shocks, and couldn't believe the amazing adjustablility range they have. They go anywhere from "softer" than stock to what seems like 10x as stiff (yes it's an exageration on the 10x for all you haters). It's good to have a wide adjustment range, because you can easily dial in over/understeer and ride quality(even as your suspension setup changes & your tastes mature)...
)...Not trying to play the "bandwagon" card, but these products are VERY good (***cough-liftime warranty-cough***). I've had custom rate ground control coilovers for years now and I love them. I recently got a set of Koni sport shocks, and couldn't believe the amazing adjustablility range they have. They go anywhere from "softer" than stock to what seems like 10x as stiff (yes it's an exageration on the 10x for all you haters). It's good to have a wide adjustment range, because you can easily dial in over/understeer and ride quality(even as your suspension setup changes & your tastes mature)...
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Re: spring rate? (vtecvoodoo)
This is what our spring factory told me. They are pretty reluctant on producing springs for the automotive aftermarket in the first place, but he's done it in the past, and produces springs for a LOT of applications. I don't know why he would lie to me, or I heard him wrong.
I know for sure that our wire is not cheap lol!
As far as matching the springs/dampers to each application, and how the same spring rates can be used for such a broad range of applications, I was talking about in the other thread. Is it being done? Yes. Does it feel/ride good on each application? Yes. How? I don't know. My best guess at this point is that the difference in weights at each corner are not enough to upset the performance of the spring noticeably (speaking in terms of the 10k and 8k springs equipped on the WRX, EG, and DC ONLY). I haven't equipped any CRX's or Miata's or Accords with our coilovers yet because we don't produce it for them and have no plans to. No point in guessing. But in terms of the WRX and the Hondas we have, I'm working on getting some measurements for each car so I can crunch some numbers and see what I can see.
The benefit definitely carries over to the consumer. Before the entry-level coilovers entered the market, where would the typical enthusiast turn to for true coilovers in the ~$800 market? What they provide now is an affordable coilover that, in some cases, performs very well, and more than good enough for daily driving duties and occasional visits to the track. Can the entry-level coilover be improved? Of course, but within reason. To stay in the entry-level price range, some compromises are going to be made. One of them is the spring rates. But when your target audience rarely (if ever) complains about buying your product and being dissatisfied with its performance, then you must be doing something right.
I can see why some people are under the imprression that some entry-level coilovers are "mass-produced", because thats true to an extent. To say that they are ALL mass-produced is not right. I wish I could convince them otherwise, but I'll wait until I can bring my product to market and let the consumer decide for him/herself.
I know for sure that our wire is not cheap lol!
As far as matching the springs/dampers to each application, and how the same spring rates can be used for such a broad range of applications, I was talking about in the other thread. Is it being done? Yes. Does it feel/ride good on each application? Yes. How? I don't know. My best guess at this point is that the difference in weights at each corner are not enough to upset the performance of the spring noticeably (speaking in terms of the 10k and 8k springs equipped on the WRX, EG, and DC ONLY). I haven't equipped any CRX's or Miata's or Accords with our coilovers yet because we don't produce it for them and have no plans to. No point in guessing. But in terms of the WRX and the Hondas we have, I'm working on getting some measurements for each car so I can crunch some numbers and see what I can see.
The benefit definitely carries over to the consumer. Before the entry-level coilovers entered the market, where would the typical enthusiast turn to for true coilovers in the ~$800 market? What they provide now is an affordable coilover that, in some cases, performs very well, and more than good enough for daily driving duties and occasional visits to the track. Can the entry-level coilover be improved? Of course, but within reason. To stay in the entry-level price range, some compromises are going to be made. One of them is the spring rates. But when your target audience rarely (if ever) complains about buying your product and being dissatisfied with its performance, then you must be doing something right.
I can see why some people are under the imprression that some entry-level coilovers are "mass-produced", because thats true to an extent. To say that they are ALL mass-produced is not right. I wish I could convince them otherwise, but I'll wait until I can bring my product to market and let the consumer decide for him/herself.
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Re: spring rate? (94eg!)
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