I came to this site a while back looking for answers and found a lot of people telling me to search.

So I did and the info I read was supposed to be correct but it wasn't.

For the next poor bastard like me who stumbles through here I hope you find this thread.

I found info that said, putting 90-91 Civic EX knuckles on your CRX/Civic will bolt right up and won't even need an alignment.

They did bolt right up but the alignment was WAAAAAY off toe wise, and the camber was even off.

Somewhere else I found info saying, when doing your rear discs, if you don't take this one bracket off your alignment will be fine. So I didn't remove that bracket. After a trip to the alignment shop, it was out.

So here's what I suggest. Swap all your stuff over and get it aligned. My car feels so much better now. Factor an extra $65 into your budget over and above the braided lines and new pads and get it done. The difference is night and day.


To the people out there who are still posting the "so perfect, no need for an alignment" crap please stop. This site doesn't need any more bad info.

 

um, you are suppose to get an alignment after wards...i think you got the word alignment mixxed up with what people say as "suspension geometry"

and did you ever think your alignment might have been off from the start? any bump in the road you hit "can" alter it...

 

Usually people use the integra 90-93 rear trailing arm assembly or 90-91 crx si rear discs when doing this swap. The ex knuckles are suggested when upgrading to a larger front brake setup. According to my research the ex never came with rear discs. But anyway glad to see you got it to work out ok.

 

When replacing major suspension parts like that you ALWAYS change the alignment. It could be a little or a lot depending on the condition of the parts, how they were installed etc...

 

I've done the EX knuckle and rear disk brake swap on my 89 hatchback and here is my two cents.


The information isn't "bad", but (kind of) as JohnnieChimpo said could be considered as incomplete or misleading. <U>Any time that suspension parts are changed, an alignment should be performed.</U>

Wes

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxgator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">um, you are suppose to get an alignment after wards...i think you got the word alignment mixxed up with what people say as "suspension geometry"

and did you ever think your alignment might have been off from the start? any bump in the road you hit "can" alter it... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly, an alignment is extremely important when doing anything like that.

 

I needed an alignment after I upgraded my CRX to 90-91 EX front brakes. My original driver's side knuckle was bent in an accident, and then the repair shop did an alignment to cover it up (rather than replace the part). So when I installed perfectly straight new parts, the alignment was all out of wack.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxgator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">um, you are suppose to get an alignment after wards

and did you ever think your alignment might have been off from the start? any bump in the road you hit "can" alter it... </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Runnerdown &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When replacing major suspension parts like that you ALWAYS change the alignment. It could be a little or a lot depending on the condition of the parts, how they were installed etc...</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EL Vap133 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Exactly, an alignment is extremely important when doing anything like that. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Yes, thank you, I knew that cars need to be aligned once the components are disturbed, BUT people on this site were telling everyone that it would be fine, hense this is why I made this thread.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91civic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Usually people use the integra 90-93 rear trailing arm assembly or 90-91 crx si rear discs when doing this swap. The ex knuckles are suggested when upgrading to a larger front brake setup. According to my research the ex never came with rear discs. But anyway glad to see you got it to work out ok. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, thank you, I didn't say I used Civic EX rear discs. I said EX knuckles +(plus) rear discs. You're correct, they were from a DA Integra.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by crxgator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">um, i think you got the word alignment mixxed up with what people say as "suspension geometry" </TD></TR></TABLE>

No, I didn't.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h8tred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can tell you for a fact that they didn't adjust your camber, and if they said they did and charged you for it, you got had. Unless you have those adjustable ball joints, and then it's all about preference as there is no spec for the camber in their computer. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I was not "had" the spec is still out as it is not adjustable without a kit. You're wrong too about there's no spec in their computer.

Well, this thread should teach me for trying to make sure information on this site is accurate.
If I'd have searched out the threads with the wrong info and repaired them, I'd have had 10 guys bitching for waking up old treads, so I started a new tread and I still get guys bitching.

Just so everyone is clear I'm not the one who said it doesn't need an alignment it was in the achives that way. I'm trying to help other people out.

 

JohnnieChimpo;

Don't take the comments to heart! (at least you didn't quote anything that I wrote!)

I've had stuff posted that I did and ALL the comments were negative. So, I know it's a ****-off.

Please just let it roll off your back and keep doing posts.

Wes Vann

 

its quite possible those people that said it didnt need it were extremley lucky, and didnt.

or they just never did anything about it. which is stupid.

either way you cant blame people for suggesting a search. its usually a good place to start.

and this thread will help other people doing the same swap. so awesome.

and dont be afraid to wake up an old thread if its got horrible info in it. if people flame or bitch, **** em.

 

seriously, go ahead and show us your numbers for your alignment. that would help more. whats "way off"?

the point of citing "suspension geometry" vs. "alignment" is because the suspension geometry should still be the same, within the same tolerance as swapping two of the same knuckle. knuckles get bent, after 15 years, each knuckle has its own history, its own geometry. but it was designed the same. so even if i swapped two of the same knuckles, i wouldnt expect all my alignment numbers to be the same.

furthermore, the point was that DA knuckles, which are also a popular swap, DO have different suspension geometry. they are a bit taller. it DOES affect camber. however, many ppl who have done this swap have been happy with the results that the change was not that far off, or even beneficial to them.

i think the better point would have been to simply state, even when youre swapping EX knuckles, be sure to check your alignment.

having said ALL THAT..... i just got back from the junkyard, i have a pair of EX knuckles for sale (just knuckles and hub and balljoint. no brakes) $175 shipped seems like the going rate. PM if interested. i gotta clean them off and take pics...


Modified by Tyson at 3:36 PM 5/9/2005

 

when i said suspension geometry, i was refereing to using the EX ones as not affecting it like the DA, thats all i was getting at...and yes, i have a set of DA knuckles up front on my crx with not adverse affects thus far...although i will be swapping back to stock to keep me out of SM...

 

whats to say the alignment was spot-on BEFORE you did the ex and rear disc?
i just finished both rear disc and ex 11" and the car 'feels' fine. worked good at pocono raceway today. but i know the alignment wasnt right before, so im not expecting it to be good now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h8tred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you can't think through the fact that no two cars are exactly the same, and as such your experience with some project you decided to take on after reading about it on this forum will in some small way differ from everyone elses, you have no business working on your car. I can't say anything about your car because I know nothing about it. Now on to the "Bad info", it would seem to me that the only valid info to take from whatever post you read would be that the EX knuckles actually fit, and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. So if you still feel that this site feeds "bad info", figure the **** out for yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You pompous little *****. You know for a guy who "isn't trying to bust my *****" you sure come across that you are. I've been working on cars since before you knew how to use the pottie. I did my first hybrid swap back when you still needed a booster seat. I damn well know that stuff needs aligned, I was only pointing out the wrong info I'd found here so that some other little **** like you doesn't come through here and follow someone else's wrong info. I took the car and had it aligned after the swap and gosh, gee, the printout proves I'm right and the old info was wrong, just as I suspected.

I don't know what kind of back woods hick shop you take your car to but mine uses a lazer and yes it knows what the range is for the camber. You didn't find some special rack for your car either, it had no camber adjustment because camber isn't controled by the rack, toe is. You'd think a smart guy like you who is telling me I'm wrong would be smart enough to know that already.

 

so much for being civil :rollseyes:

 

It's good to point out bad information so that future readers don't get duped. And it *especially* helps those that lack the common sense to know that you shouldn't believe 100% of what you read on the net.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h8tred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> to escape pseudo intellectuals such as yourself.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Pseudo intellectuals, that's funny because if you were as smart as you think you are, you would re-read this post and see that all I did was proved that the info I'd found wasn't correct, as I knew it wouldn't be.

You're arguing with me from my same point of view.

Some guys just have to right so bad.....

 

this thread is retarded. it should be one post long, and say

"i didn't do enough research on the mods i was getting ready to do, and i was surprised at what happened."

asking anyone with experience working on a car would have resulted in them saying " yeah man, it's a good idea to get an alignment any time you replace critical suspension parts, especially when you replace a 15 year old part with another 15 year old part, as the chances of them being identical are pretty slim.

h-t is a great resource for sharing information. it isn't a one stop shopping for every answer you ever wanted. if thats what your looking for, go buy a shop manual, and leave your car stock. don't blame people for you you being too lazy or inept to figure out what you really have to do. thread should be locked.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

h-t is a great resource for sharing information. it isn't a one stop shopping for every answer you ever wanted. if thats what your looking for, go buy a shop manual, and leave your car stock. don't blame people for you you being too lazy or inept to figure out what you really have to do. thread should be locked. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, take what people say on this site with a grain of salt... this is rediculous

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
"i didn't do enough research on the mods i was getting ready to do, and i was surprised at what happened."
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you, that's all I'm trying to say. Chimpo, post a warning in the original thread, simpily stateing that you ran into problems, and others should expect that. That way when someone else comes along and reads the same info they will know. I'll go ahead and delete the rest of my posts as I know they are worthless and provide no info...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this thread is retarded. it should be one post long, and say

"i didn't do enough research on the mods i was getting ready to do, and i was surprised at what happened." </TD></TR></TABLE>

This is unbelievable. Where do you read on here that I expected it to be fine?

I expected it to be wrong and it was.

I took it to a shop to prove it to myself, and I was right.

I posted this thread to help others and I get attacked instead.

This thread isn't retarded, the people who tell me that I'm a fool for expecting my alignment to be unaffected are the retards.

READ WHAT IT SAYS NOT WHAT YOU WANT IT TO SAY.

I'm done with this thread, bye!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JohnnieChimpo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">JohnnieChimpo (7:31 PM 5/9/2005): Where do you get off saying this?
"i didn't do enough research on the mods i was getting ready to do, and i was surprised at what happened."
REREAD THE THREAD, you flamed me for trying to help.
THANKS
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taken from pm...

i posted this here because i won't argue with you over pm.
you need to simmer down. you cannot blame the h-t community for your installation problems. this is an open tech-forum, not a honda manual. if you see a post with what you think is misinformation, post it, and politely point out where you have difficulties.

about your problem:
the knuckles have the same geometry. in many cases they will bolt up and the alignment will be fine. yours didn't. maybe the new ones are bent. mabe your old ones were. maybe your car wasnt properly aligned before. we certainly dont know, as you didnt say anything about it, and it sounds like you dont know either. one thing is for certain, if they changed your camber settings drastically, they are either not the right part, they are bent, or you have something wrong with your car.

no matter what the case, as was stated before and most anyone you asked would have told you (the reason i said you didnt do nough research) is that any time you take your suspension apart, especially when you replace a 15 year old part with a used part of unknown history, it is a good idea to get your car aligned.

if you can't understand this and act like a normal person, then quit reading about other peoples experience and knowledge for free, and fo figure everything out yourself.

 

waahhh....

heres some real info.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1241022

 

hahhahhaha...