Want to safe money for another track ITR
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Want to safe money for another track ITR
too bad I had to sell my track-ready ITR before I was able to go for it...
Imagine you would buy a used stock R. What would be the minimal mods you would need to do to make it trackable seriously ?
This is on my list:
Stage 1
Suspenion work
Brakes and brake cooling
cage
seats/belts
steering wheel
Oilcooler
Tires
Stage2
Header
Racecat
exhaust
ECU
What would be your list ?
Imagine you would buy a used stock R. What would be the minimal mods you would need to do to make it trackable seriously ?
This is on my list:
Stage 1
Suspenion work
Brakes and brake cooling
cage
seats/belts
steering wheel
Oilcooler
Tires
Stage2
Header
Racecat
exhaust
ECU
What would be your list ?
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
It depends on what you mean by "trackable". Heck, if I were a beginner in HPDE events, I'd track the car bone stock. I've done brake pads, rotors, and tires; I think that's all I need for my track usage (HPDE events) and level of experience (a lot). But if I wanted to enter competition events (races), I would do more of the things you've mentioned, and would also gut the interior (removing all unnecessary interior panels, along with complete systems like A/C and stereo that wouldn't be needed for racing).
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
C'mon Sven you know what you really need and what's just extra.
You really need good high temp brake fluid, good R comp brake pads and some good sticky tires, a fresh oil and all other fluid change, just go over the car as per severe service at applicable mileage;
Torque down those lug nuts and you're off to have some fun.
What I personally think needs to be added to the basic list is just stripping the back half of the car, two front racing shell seats, 5 or 6 point harnesses and a good rollbar.
It just tends to snowball as you are well aware.
I feel safety items are alot more important than any power mods.
You really need good high temp brake fluid, good R comp brake pads and some good sticky tires, a fresh oil and all other fluid change, just go over the car as per severe service at applicable mileage;
Torque down those lug nuts and you're off to have some fun.
What I personally think needs to be added to the basic list is just stripping the back half of the car, two front racing shell seats, 5 or 6 point harnesses and a good rollbar.
It just tends to snowball as you are well aware.
I feel safety items are alot more important than any power mods.
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (1GreyTeg)
umm....nothing, stock type R is the ultimate track caR, best evaR!!! <typical R owner> 
in all seriousness, just do what this guy did, that should be stage 1:
stage 1 track R
in all seriousness, just do what this guy did, that should be stage 1:
stage 1 track R
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Curt941)
You will not be able to keep up with our guys by using a stock brake system. noway. Anyway: Stripping the interiour I didn`t want to mention...
What I do mean by trrackable ?..... I mean 9,30 Nurburgring and 1,35 Anneau du Rhin.. I mean going really fast. Of course I would do a LOT more than listed above... I just want to concentrato on the most important mods
What I do mean by trrackable ?..... I mean 9,30 Nurburgring and 1,35 Anneau du Rhin.. I mean going really fast. Of course I would do a LOT more than listed above... I just want to concentrato on the most important mods
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ex-ITR5874 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will not be able to keep up with our guys by using a stock brake system. noway. Anyway: Stripping the interiour I didn`t want to mention...
What I do mean by trrackable ?..... I mean 9,30 Nurburgring and 1,35 Anneau du Rhin.. I mean going really fast. Of course I would do a LOT more than listed above... I just want to concentrato on the most important mods</TD></TR></TABLE>
the type R has very good brakes
it is by no means "under-braked"
if you are really doing what you are going to do to it, like a cage with no interior then a set of good pads, lines, fluid, and cut the dust shields out and some ducting will be more than enough
no need for a big brake kit
What I do mean by trrackable ?..... I mean 9,30 Nurburgring and 1,35 Anneau du Rhin.. I mean going really fast. Of course I would do a LOT more than listed above... I just want to concentrato on the most important mods</TD></TR></TABLE>
the type R has very good brakes
it is by no means "under-braked"
if you are really doing what you are going to do to it, like a cage with no interior then a set of good pads, lines, fluid, and cut the dust shields out and some ducting will be more than enough
no need for a big brake kit
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (niterida)
yea stock brakes are pretty good, but a long day or tracking is gonna leave you with little pad left.
Upgrading pads and tires are usually a good start. But safety is also important as in proper cages and seatbelts and what not. Safety before power will make you a better driver and feel safer
Upgrading pads and tires are usually a good start. But safety is also important as in proper cages and seatbelts and what not. Safety before power will make you a better driver and feel safer
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (totsie7944)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by totsie7944 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea stock brakes are pretty good, but a long day or tracking is gonna leave you with little pad left.
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Uhhh?
I never heard of anyone killing a set of pads on a one day event before. Is that possible even on a high brake use road course? hrmmm.
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Uhhh?
I never heard of anyone killing a set of pads on a one day event before. Is that possible even on a high brake use road course? hrmmm.
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Bbasso)
The other guys are running big brake upgrades and brake 50m later than I would have to... I would not be able to overtake... I would be overtaken at every corner by braking in.
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ex-ITR5874 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The other guys are running big brake upgrades and brake 50m later than I would have to... I would not be able to overtake... I would be overtaken at every corner by braking in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Same tires? Central gravity point is also important (lower is better). More weight to the rear is also better for braking.
IMO, stock brakes with Ferodo DS3000 front and DS2500 rear is more than enough on the track with street tires. Maybe just enough if you use slicks. But you'll have to cool the brakes effectively.
Same tires? Central gravity point is also important (lower is better). More weight to the rear is also better for braking.
IMO, stock brakes with Ferodo DS3000 front and DS2500 rear is more than enough on the track with street tires. Maybe just enough if you use slicks. But you'll have to cool the brakes effectively.
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ex-ITR5874 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You will not be able to keep up with our guys by using a stock brake system. noway.</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL, if I had a dime for everytime I heard that...
Seriously, I'll never forget the 1st sprint that NASA did at VIR-full last year. Going door to door with some fully prepped E46 ///M3, C6, etc; Getting blown away on the straights, and then kicking their asses in the brake zones/turns was awesome. Seriously, I will never forget that race. So cool to be out there with so many high $$$ cars
Don't understimate the stock ITR brakes. They are better than a lot of people think. I can't ever remember being outbraked in my former car. She wasn't the most powerful, but if I was close, the brakes were the best weapon on the car and could do crazy stuff when used correctly. I used the stock ITR setup, autozone rotors (yes, the cheap ones), Carbotech XP8 pads, and Motul fluid.
LOL, if I had a dime for everytime I heard that...
Seriously, I'll never forget the 1st sprint that NASA did at VIR-full last year. Going door to door with some fully prepped E46 ///M3, C6, etc; Getting blown away on the straights, and then kicking their asses in the brake zones/turns was awesome. Seriously, I will never forget that race. So cool to be out there with so many high $$$ cars
Don't understimate the stock ITR brakes. They are better than a lot of people think. I can't ever remember being outbraked in my former car. She wasn't the most powerful, but if I was close, the brakes were the best weapon on the car and could do crazy stuff when used correctly. I used the stock ITR setup, autozone rotors (yes, the cheap ones), Carbotech XP8 pads, and Motul fluid.
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Ex-ITR5874)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ex-ITR5874 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The other guys are running big brake upgrades and brake 50m later than I would have to... I would not be able to overtake... I would be overtaken at every corner by braking in. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i have NEVER found a car that can out brake my R. doesn't matter what car, what tires. I have out braked every make, model, year car out there. Even a 700 hp c5 vette with 14 inch bears.
this may have to do with my willingness to brake later than most but i have never had a problem with my brake set up.
slows me from 130mph at thunder hill all day with no problem
Type R brakes = good
i have NEVER found a car that can out brake my R. doesn't matter what car, what tires. I have out braked every make, model, year car out there. Even a 700 hp c5 vette with 14 inch bears.
this may have to do with my willingness to brake later than most but i have never had a problem with my brake set up.
slows me from 130mph at thunder hill all day with no problem
Type R brakes = good
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (niterida)
Okay,
and I tell you that those guys upgraded their brakes to alcon or ap after they maxed out the stock brakes to get faster. You really think you upgrade to a DTC brake system over stock and still run the same laptimes ?? You just talk if the stock brake is the maximum you can go with
But that`s not true. I mean, those guys are really fast.. only a few seconds behind the DTC class racers (those DTC cars cost 50grands and more).
I won`t discuss this point seriously... I will definitly upgrade the brakes to a DTC system.
http://www.integratype-r.de/as...n.jpg
and I tell you that those guys upgraded their brakes to alcon or ap after they maxed out the stock brakes to get faster. You really think you upgrade to a DTC brake system over stock and still run the same laptimes ?? You just talk if the stock brake is the maximum you can go with
But that`s not true. I mean, those guys are really fast.. only a few seconds behind the DTC class racers (those DTC cars cost 50grands and more). I won`t discuss this point seriously... I will definitly upgrade the brakes to a DTC system.
http://www.integratype-r.de/as...n.jpg
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (Jason Franza)
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LOL, if I had a dime for everytime I heard that...
Seriously, I'll never forget the 1st sprint that NASA did at VIR-full last year. Going door to door with some fully prepped E46 ///M3, C6, etc; Getting blown away on the straights, and then kicking their asses in the brake zones/turns was awesome. Seriously, I will never forget that race. So cool to be out there with so many high $$$ cars
Don't understimate the stock ITR brakes. They are better than a lot of people think. I can't ever remember being outbraked in my former car. She wasn't the most powerful, but if I was close, the brakes were the best weapon on the car and could do crazy stuff when used correctly. I used the stock ITR setup, autozone rotors (yes, the cheap ones), Carbotech XP8 pads, and Motul fluid.</TD></TR></TABLE>
^THESE are words of Wisdom
Jason's not talkin just playin at an HPDE here guys & he's definitely not talkin out his ***. He's talkin the real deal full on wheel to wheel racin and at VIR to boot. Which impressed me as a Technical and fun High Speed course.
Sven, one question; have you removed the dust shields and run any brake ducting to cool them yet?
I've had all sorts of lousy brake experience but none that can be labeled the cars brake system fault entirely. It mostly started out with a bad bleed then combined with novice braking I was able to fry the fluid and glaze the pads on several occasions. More recently though I don't have any fade as my driving skill improves I just split rotors. But this can be remedied by actually compressing my braking zones even more and extending the life of the brakes altogether.
I gotta be honest, I get all excited when I see pics like that of mean lookin multi piston caliper setups, but I come back to earth and vow to not do anything like that setup till I'm at instructor level and still having issues not being able to out brake say a C6R full tilt.
For Exactly the same examples that Jason posted above.
Modified by 1GreyTeg at 8:49 AM 5/9/2005
LOL, if I had a dime for everytime I heard that...
Seriously, I'll never forget the 1st sprint that NASA did at VIR-full last year. Going door to door with some fully prepped E46 ///M3, C6, etc; Getting blown away on the straights, and then kicking their asses in the brake zones/turns was awesome. Seriously, I will never forget that race. So cool to be out there with so many high $$$ cars
Don't understimate the stock ITR brakes. They are better than a lot of people think. I can't ever remember being outbraked in my former car. She wasn't the most powerful, but if I was close, the brakes were the best weapon on the car and could do crazy stuff when used correctly. I used the stock ITR setup, autozone rotors (yes, the cheap ones), Carbotech XP8 pads, and Motul fluid.</TD></TR></TABLE>
^THESE are words of Wisdom
Jason's not talkin just playin at an HPDE here guys & he's definitely not talkin out his ***. He's talkin the real deal full on wheel to wheel racin and at VIR to boot. Which impressed me as a Technical and fun High Speed course.
Sven, one question; have you removed the dust shields and run any brake ducting to cool them yet?
I've had all sorts of lousy brake experience but none that can be labeled the cars brake system fault entirely. It mostly started out with a bad bleed then combined with novice braking I was able to fry the fluid and glaze the pads on several occasions. More recently though I don't have any fade as my driving skill improves I just split rotors. But this can be remedied by actually compressing my braking zones even more and extending the life of the brakes altogether.
I gotta be honest, I get all excited when I see pics like that of mean lookin multi piston caliper setups, but I come back to earth and vow to not do anything like that setup till I'm at instructor level and still having issues not being able to out brake say a C6R full tilt.
For Exactly the same examples that Jason posted above.Modified by 1GreyTeg at 8:49 AM 5/9/2005
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Re: Want to safe money for another track ITR (1GreyTeg)
The situation is cleared...We continue building our project EG6.
We will use NSX calipers front and ITR rear. The car will have a weight of 800kg (1760lbs). The engine-base is a 169hp civic which we will work to operate with a 200whp output. The cell is already welded in, we have ITR tranny and LSD. Soon, this EG will kick some ***
We will use NSX calipers front and ITR rear. The car will have a weight of 800kg (1760lbs). The engine-base is a 169hp civic which we will work to operate with a 200whp output. The cell is already welded in, we have ITR tranny and LSD. Soon, this EG will kick some ***
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