Too Cheap for comfort?
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Too Cheap for comfort?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting
The main reason why I'm even looking at these is because these sleeves will allow a 4 inch drop, which is typical of most touring cars back in the day of the JTCC, which I admired for the cars' aggressive stances. No other companies besides Dropzone offer coilovers with a 4" range. Tein comes close with 3.7, but that's only the front. Plus, they're hella expensive.
I want a good 3.5 inch drop for my 2004 accord sedan, but I don't want a high price. The seller of these coiovers says that they can be coupled with the stock struts, but I've heard from some people that sleeves alone will cause you shocks to break. Is this true? Are these Ebay coilovers identical to dropzone's except for the color? They seem to be.
I know, I know. You're probably gonna say that these are crappy as hell, but honestly, quality and a bouncy ride is not that important to me. As long as they don't cause any major problems.
If I were to install sway bars, would it put less stress on the stock struts? And can high quality springs be used to replace the ones that come with the kit? As you can tell, I'm basically just interested in the adjustability that the sleeves offer.
Thanks for the advice
-Mike
Modified by StarRizer at 10:21 PM 5/2/2005
The main reason why I'm even looking at these is because these sleeves will allow a 4 inch drop, which is typical of most touring cars back in the day of the JTCC, which I admired for the cars' aggressive stances. No other companies besides Dropzone offer coilovers with a 4" range. Tein comes close with 3.7, but that's only the front. Plus, they're hella expensive.
I want a good 3.5 inch drop for my 2004 accord sedan, but I don't want a high price. The seller of these coiovers says that they can be coupled with the stock struts, but I've heard from some people that sleeves alone will cause you shocks to break. Is this true? Are these Ebay coilovers identical to dropzone's except for the color? They seem to be.
I know, I know. You're probably gonna say that these are crappy as hell, but honestly, quality and a bouncy ride is not that important to me. As long as they don't cause any major problems.
If I were to install sway bars, would it put less stress on the stock struts? And can high quality springs be used to replace the ones that come with the kit? As you can tell, I'm basically just interested in the adjustability that the sleeves offer.
Thanks for the advice
-Mike
Modified by StarRizer at 10:21 PM 5/2/2005
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StarRizer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...sting
The main reason why I'm even looking at these is because these sleeves will allow a 4 inch drop, which is typical of most touring cars back in the day of the JTCC, which I admired for the cars' aggressive stances. No other companies besides Dropzone offer coilovers with a 4" range. Tein comes close with 3.7, but that's only the front. Plus, they're hella expensive.
I want a good 3.5 inch drop for my 2004 accord sedan, but I don't want a high price. The seller of these coiovers says that they can be coupled with the stock struts, but I've heard from some people that sleeves alone will cause you shocks to break. Is this true? Are these Ebay coilovers identical to dropzone's except for the color? They seem to be.
I know, I know. You're probably gonna say that these are crappy as hell, but honestly, quality and a bouncy ride is not that important to me. As long as they don't cause any major problems.
If I were to install sway bars, would it put less stress on the stock struts? And can high quality springs be used to replace the ones that come with the kit? As you can tell, I'm basically just interested in the adjustability that the sleeves offer.
Thanks for the advice
-Mike
Modified by StarRizer at 10:21 PM 5/2/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
These coilovers will sag down over the time. Your car will be lowered lil bit by lil bit over the time. They will kill your stock shocks. You need to get kyb agx, koni, tokico or other aftermarket shocks.
The main reason why I'm even looking at these is because these sleeves will allow a 4 inch drop, which is typical of most touring cars back in the day of the JTCC, which I admired for the cars' aggressive stances. No other companies besides Dropzone offer coilovers with a 4" range. Tein comes close with 3.7, but that's only the front. Plus, they're hella expensive.
I want a good 3.5 inch drop for my 2004 accord sedan, but I don't want a high price. The seller of these coiovers says that they can be coupled with the stock struts, but I've heard from some people that sleeves alone will cause you shocks to break. Is this true? Are these Ebay coilovers identical to dropzone's except for the color? They seem to be.
I know, I know. You're probably gonna say that these are crappy as hell, but honestly, quality and a bouncy ride is not that important to me. As long as they don't cause any major problems.
If I were to install sway bars, would it put less stress on the stock struts? And can high quality springs be used to replace the ones that come with the kit? As you can tell, I'm basically just interested in the adjustability that the sleeves offer.
Thanks for the advice
-Mike
Modified by StarRizer at 10:21 PM 5/2/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
These coilovers will sag down over the time. Your car will be lowered lil bit by lil bit over the time. They will kill your stock shocks. You need to get kyb agx, koni, tokico or other aftermarket shocks.
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (xbn83)
Blah. They look like crap.
I wouldn't go for those. You will need to spend more money to get what you want, unless you don't care about handling.
I wouldn't go for those. You will need to spend more money to get what you want, unless you don't care about handling.
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
Although I don't subscribe to radically lowering a street ride, I;m going to offer a suggestion which I hope you'll take to heart before you plink down your hard earned green.
Please take the time needed to determine how much suspension travel you have (in the compression direction) while in stock trim. With your lowering target in mind, you're going to have to determine in you have sufficient remaining clearance (travel) to avoid coil spring bind, struts bottoming out or the suspension collapsing on the jounce bumpers.
There has to be a reason why most lowering kits limit themselves to 3.5+- inches.
Kit springs must be high rate springs (heavier wire,fewer coils and shorter lengths) to accomodate some suspension travel, and a poorly engineered kit will undoubtedly get you the "hobbiehorse" or "gokart" ride. Another point: make sure that there are offset bushing kits for your front suspension. Without them, you won't be able to align the front end.
And unless you're campaigning your ride at Taladaga or Daytona race tracks, forget any ground effects. The streets can be truely mean
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Please take the time needed to determine how much suspension travel you have (in the compression direction) while in stock trim. With your lowering target in mind, you're going to have to determine in you have sufficient remaining clearance (travel) to avoid coil spring bind, struts bottoming out or the suspension collapsing on the jounce bumpers.
There has to be a reason why most lowering kits limit themselves to 3.5+- inches.
Kit springs must be high rate springs (heavier wire,fewer coils and shorter lengths) to accomodate some suspension travel, and a poorly engineered kit will undoubtedly get you the "hobbiehorse" or "gokart" ride. Another point: make sure that there are offset bushing kits for your front suspension. Without them, you won't be able to align the front end.
And unless you're campaigning your ride at Taladaga or Daytona race tracks, forget any ground effects. The streets can be truely mean
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (fuglycord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fuglycord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you get what you pay for...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah, but I've heard from many people that Ebay sleeves do the job quite fine as long as you complete the setup with other high-quality components. I'm mainly just interested in the sleeve travel, which not other brands (not even Ground Gontrol) offers.
Body kits for the 2003-2004 Accords suck like hell, so I think the stock one would do fine under lowered conditions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goowakjai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah this brotha knows what I'm talkin' about:
Now there's a REAL drop for ya!
Modified by StarRizer at 5:57 AM 5/3/2005
Yeah, but I've heard from many people that Ebay sleeves do the job quite fine as long as you complete the setup with other high-quality components. I'm mainly just interested in the sleeve travel, which not other brands (not even Ground Gontrol) offers.
Body kits for the 2003-2004 Accords suck like hell, so I think the stock one would do fine under lowered conditions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goowakjai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah this brotha knows what I'm talkin' about:
Now there's a REAL drop for ya!
Modified by StarRizer at 5:57 AM 5/3/2005
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (fuglycord)
You are going to go through axles like oprah through ho-hos. Hell, your bearings might even go to hell in a hurry too. Camber might be a pain to fix that low as well, sometimes the frame will interfere and you will not be able to push the upper control arm out enough to fix it.
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (Accord94DX)
MY GOD, the stunnaz have now invaded honda-tech...
Alright, first of all, that stance is achieved due to a radical suspension setup used for racing, not street...
Second, the wheel wells and body have been modified to accomodate such a low stance without causing any major issues...
Third, please quite spelling the word that by replacing the th with a d thus creating the word dat. Also, I believe the word brother had an R in it last time i saw it spelled. There was certainly never an A in the word, for I am certain....However, if you wish to add the word Brotha to the english language or the dictionary, you can contact Webster at http://www.m-w.com/info/contact.htm. If you seem to have any other troubles with the english language, help is available at http://www.m-w.com/help/ ....
Thank You
Alright, first of all, that stance is achieved due to a radical suspension setup used for racing, not street...
Second, the wheel wells and body have been modified to accomodate such a low stance without causing any major issues...
Third, please quite spelling the word that by replacing the th with a d thus creating the word dat. Also, I believe the word brother had an R in it last time i saw it spelled. There was certainly never an A in the word, for I am certain....However, if you wish to add the word Brotha to the english language or the dictionary, you can contact Webster at http://www.m-w.com/info/contact.htm. If you seem to have any other troubles with the english language, help is available at http://www.m-w.com/help/ ....
Thank You
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (goowakjai)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goowakjai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dood, you're a dumbass
I'm not into flaming people but this is beyond my self-control. 
Dood, you're a dumbass
I'm not into flaming people but this is beyond my self-control.
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (Nick H)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MY GOD, the stunnaz have now invaded honda-tech...
Third, please quite spelling the word that by replacing the th with a d thus creating the word dat. Also, I believe the word brother had an R in it last time i saw it spelled. There was certainly never an A in the word, for I am certain....However, if you wish to add the word Brotha to the english language or the dictionary, you can contact Webster at http://www.m-w.com/info/contact.htm. If you seem to have any other troubles with the english language, help is available at http://www.m-w.com/help/ ....
Thank You</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah...uh...thanks for confirming that you're from Indiana, but I prefer to speak a little slang here and there on the forums.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MY GOD, the stunnaz have now invaded honda-tech...
Alright, first of all, that stance is achieved due to a radical suspension setup used for racing, not street...
Second, the wheel wells and body have been modified to accomodate such a low stance without causing any major issues...
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You think I don't know that? I was just posting the pictue for fun.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goowakjai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM.Accord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dood, you're a dumbass I'm not into flaming people but this is beyond my self-control. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry, but how is this guy a dumbass for minding his own business and talking about cars the way he likes them? And BTW, why do you have to announce that you're not into flaming people, when you go ahead and do it anyways? Why don't you just do it and be done with it?
Modified by StarRizer at 6:33 AM 5/3/2005
Third, please quite spelling the word that by replacing the th with a d thus creating the word dat. Also, I believe the word brother had an R in it last time i saw it spelled. There was certainly never an A in the word, for I am certain....However, if you wish to add the word Brotha to the english language or the dictionary, you can contact Webster at http://www.m-w.com/info/contact.htm. If you seem to have any other troubles with the english language, help is available at http://www.m-w.com/help/ ....
Thank You</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah...uh...thanks for confirming that you're from Indiana, but I prefer to speak a little slang here and there on the forums.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">MY GOD, the stunnaz have now invaded honda-tech...
Alright, first of all, that stance is achieved due to a radical suspension setup used for racing, not street...
Second, the wheel wells and body have been modified to accomodate such a low stance without causing any major issues...
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You think I don't know that? I was just posting the pictue for fun.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by goowakjai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ahh yes, the GT car stance is truly sexy...sitting less then inch off da ground, i have grown to love that look, and wish to pursure it with my own ride(hahahaha i tried to sound sophistamacated..i needa lay off da beer)..but yea, tho a 4 inch drop sleeve sp[rings do sound attractive(haha, there i go woith the big wors!)...u gotta take consdieration of suspension travel, and wheel rubbing...incase u havent noticed, those GT cars has crazy suspension setups!! i dunno wut there called or how theyd o it, but it ******* crazy shyt, im assuming its kinda like a double wichbone set up, so the wheels move inwards and up at the same time, and ofcourse, they have extremely high spring rates and stiff suspension...whcih would make any average joe beg for mercy, but i personally dunt mind the sitffness, i actually like it, makes me feel like im driving a supercar!! o, and yea, every bump and shyt is going to kil ur bumper...so if u plan to replace or get a body kit..i wud HIGHLY recomend sumthing cheap to replace like ABS plastic or sumthing that can take alota abuse like uretahne, though i dunt like anything other then handlaid fiberglass, but its goin to get old to replace ur kit every month for 800-aK hahaha goodluck for ur search for that sexy stance</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM.Accord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dood, you're a dumbass I'm not into flaming people but this is beyond my self-control. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sorry, but how is this guy a dumbass for minding his own business and talking about cars the way he likes them? And BTW, why do you have to announce that you're not into flaming people, when you go ahead and do it anyways? Why don't you just do it and be done with it?
Modified by StarRizer at 6:33 AM 5/3/2005
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
accords only ran in the JGTC's forrunner until 97....
if your trying to emulate all the cars you see in the appearance forum, remember most are show cars, or are only lowered that low for pictures......honestly, get a clue
if your trying to emulate all the cars you see in the appearance forum, remember most are show cars, or are only lowered that low for pictures......honestly, get a clue
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
And you wonder why some of us hesitate getting involved in some of these threads.... Try to help and get accused of using big words
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Re: Too Cheap for comfort? (StarRizer)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StarRizer »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah...uh...thanks for confirming that you're from Indiana, but I prefer to speak a little slang here and there on the forums.
Modified by StarRizer at 6:33 AM 5/3/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are right, I am from Indiana...I don't see the problem with that...Call me a redneck all you want, but gas is cheap, we get 94 octane here, and not a single tech inspections ever...seems like a utopia for car tuning to me...
Yeah...uh...thanks for confirming that you're from Indiana, but I prefer to speak a little slang here and there on the forums.
Modified by StarRizer at 6:33 AM 5/3/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are right, I am from Indiana...I don't see the problem with that...Call me a redneck all you want, but gas is cheap, we get 94 octane here, and not a single tech inspections ever...seems like a utopia for car tuning to me...
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