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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:03 PM
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OK I bought some cross drilled rotors and I'm having them installed tomorrow. I took them out of the box and now I can't remember which side is which
Is this my passenger side or driver side rotor?

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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:05 PM
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It doesn't matter because they are going to crack regardless of which direction you install them.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It doesn't matter because they are going to crack regardless of which direction you install them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for your useless post fuckbag. I didn't ask if they would crack
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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u'r lucky im here the one thats in the picture goes on u'r drivers front or rear wheather u have all wheel dics or not but that goes on the drivers side front or back
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jgardens212 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u'r lucky im here the one thats in the picture goes on u'r drivers front or rear wheather u have all wheel dics or not but that goes on the drivers side front or back </TD></TR></TABLE>

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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIRIUS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Thanks for your useless post fuckbag. I didn't ask if they would crack </TD></TR></TABLE>
It wasn't useless. I gave you correct information. It doesn't ******* matter which direction they go.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jgardens212 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u'r lucky im here the one thats in the picture goes on u'r drivers front or rear wheather u have all wheel dics or not but that goes on the drivers side front or back </TD></TR></TABLE>
That's a rear disc.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:17 PM
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They go in the direction of the trash recepticle.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BauleyCivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They go in the direction of the trash recepticle.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your cool

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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Targa250R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It wasn't useless. I gave you correct information. It doesn't ******* matter which direction they go.


That's a rear disc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You could've just said that they can go in either direction (although the box they came in clearly state right and left) instead of going out of your way to post something stupid.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:24 PM
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I am a mod.
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As I said feel free to kill this, or just leave it.
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I think i'll leave it here, I may need it for comic relief later on when I need a break from my FASB paper.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:28 PM
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It's all good to me. I'm up for a good flame thread myself.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIRIUS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... (although the box they came in clearly state right and left) ... </TD></TR></TABLE>

HAHAHA ROFLMAO
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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I'm not sure if you're laughing w/ me or at me. Regardless I'll let it die from here since this is a tech forum. Thanks to the people that helped me out
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 12:17 PM
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don't worry about them cracking. I've had my drilled/slotted rotors for almost 3 years. no problems. regular rotors wouldn't last me 3 months. so I went to something that could disipate the heat.

I have heard of many people complaining about them cracking, but I have yet to see a picture of one.

so until mine crack, if ever, I'll keep recommending them. I'll probably just end up having to replace them due to wear, even though they've never been turned and have not showed any signs of warpage. and they did outlast my last set of pads, 2 years. and I'm about a year into my 2nd set of pads.

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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 12:42 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gftgrill &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't worry about them cracking. I've had my drilled/slotted rotors for almost 3 years. no problems. regular rotors wouldn't last me 3 months. so I went to something that could disipate the heat.

I have heard of many people complaining about them cracking, but I have yet to see a picture of one.

so until mine crack, if ever, I'll keep recommending them. I'll probably just end up having to replace them due to wear, even though they've never been turned and have not showed any signs of warpage. and they did outlast my last set of pads, 2 years. and I'm about a year into my 2nd set of pads.

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DITTO...

I'm tired of all the bandwagon trashing...

I got them like 3 years ago and they haven't caused me so much as a hair of problem since... and one of my calipers siezed up while they were on so don't give me that "do you auto-x with them" B.S.

My brakes got soo f'ing hot in the front on one side that it melted my plastic center cap in my wheel... but the rotors NEVER cracked... 80k miles PLUS later they're still on the car with NO cracks...

I used to trailbrake EVERYDAY coming off an exit at like 90 that was all but a u turn and they've never faded (which DID happen on stock rotors).

I've taken them repeatedly from over 100 down to 60 as fast as possible then back up and back down several times...

I have beatin the crap out of these rotors and they've NEVER warped faded or cracked...

I'm not saying it won't happen but I've certainly never had a problem and I'm CONSTANTLY driving my car to it's limit.

Maybe for track use it'd be different since the time periods between heating up and cooling are soo much closer together... and continue so constantly for the duration of the race... but for normal road abuse they have done me just fine.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 01:57 PM
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they don't crack, thats just ricer bull$hit
i've had the brembo slotted/drilled for years also with no problems whatsoever..

if anything they're better because they don't warp from the heat like the shitty oem honda blanks..

and why bust on the dude with a serious question? thought this was a technical forum. thats a technical question isn't it?? i see so much non technical crap and now this wtf
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sidesi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they don't crack, thats just ricer bull$hit</TD></TR></TABLE>

like hell, you have NO idea what you are talking about. Bauley is 100% correct, they belong in the trashcan. a drilled and slotted rotor does nothing for braking performance, heat dissipation or any of the other **** they claim it does.

none of you who say they helped your braking have ever gone fast enough, or used the brakes enough to claim they work better. a drilled rotor is twice as likley to crack and warp over a blank rotor.

go to a racetrack and look at every honda there thats a racecar, i guarntee you 1 out of 10 will have a drilled or slotted rotor.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sidesi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they don't crack, thats just ricer bull$hit
i've had the brembo slotted/drilled for years also with no problems whatsoever..

if anything they're better because they don't warp from the heat like the shitty oem honda blanks..

and why bust on the dude with a serious question? thought this was a technical forum. thats a technical question isn't it?? i see so much non technical crap and now this wtf</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with you homie, homeboy asked a serious question, and flaming results. I really don't get you people.

On the other hand, I have plenty of friends who have crossdrilled rotors and they lasted for a GOOD long while under heavy use, i can personally attest to crossdrilled not bein nearly as bad as people make them out
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:15 PM
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what do F1 and indy cars use. what about motorcycle brakes, those are always crossdrilled(or is that just bc their just a single flat disk)?
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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ive had my brembo rotors for 2 years now, and i do not have any complaints. They have saved my *** a few times....damn tne no ABS in the EM1 tho :-/
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gftgrill
I have heard of many people complaining about them cracking, but I have yet to see a picture of one.










None of you know anything about brakes. I could go on and explain everything, but copying and pasting is much easier. Here's something I found a few years ago... I forget who wrote it, but it's basically the thread ender.
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Here is how it works. The friction between the pad and rotor is what causes you to stop. This friction converts your forward energy into heat (remember: Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it is converted). Now that heat is a bad thing. Yes it is bad for the rotors but it is a lot worse for the pads. A warped rotor will still stop the car - it will just feel like ****. Overheated pads however WILL NOT stop the car. It is here where the rotors secondary responsibility comes in. Its job now is to DISSIPATE the heat away from the pads and DISPERSE it through itself. Notice that DISSIPATE and DISPERSE are interchangeable? Once the heat is removed from the pad/surface area it is then removed. Notice where the removal falls on the list of duties? That's right - number 3. Here is the list again. Memorize it because I will be using it a lot in this post:

#1 Maintains a coefficient of friction with the pad to slow the forward inertia of the vehicle

#2 DISSIPATE the heat

#3 REMOVE the heat from the brake system

Let's look more in-depth at each step now shall we? No? Too bad, assclown, we are doing it anyway.

#1 Maintains a coefficient of friction with the pad to slow the forward inertia of the vehicle:
This one is pretty simple and self-explanatory. The rotor's surface is where the pads contact and generate friction to slow the vehicle down. Since it is this friction that causes the conversion of forward acceleration into deceleration (negative acceleration if you want) you ideally want as much as possible right? The more friction you have the better your stopping will be. This is reason #1 why BIGGER brakes are the best way to improve a vehicle's stopping ability. More surface area on the pad and the rotor = more friction = better stopping.

#2 DISSIPATE The Heat:
Let's assume for a second that the vehicle in question is running with Hawk Blue pads on it. The brand doesn't really matter but that is what I am using as my example. They have an operating range of 400 degrees to 1100 degrees. Once they exceed that 1100 degree mark they fade from overheating. The pad material gets too soft to work effectively - glazing occurs. This means that a layer of crude glass forms on the surface of the pad. As we all know glass is very smooth and very hard. It doesn't have a very high coefficient of friction. This is bad - especially when you're coming down the back straight at VIR at 125MPH. Lucky for us the rotor has a job to do here as well. The rotor, by way of thermal tranfer, DISSIPATES the heat throughout itself. This DISSIPATION lessens the amount of heat at the contact area because it is diluted throughout the whole rotor. The bigger the rotor the better here as well. The more metal it has the more metal the heat can be diluted into.

#3 REMOVE the heat from the brake system:
Now comes the step where the rotor takes the heat it DISSIPATED from the pads and gets rid of it for good. How does it do this? By radiating it to the surface - either the faces or inside the vanes. It is here where cool air interacts with the hot metal to cool it off and remove the heat. Once again there is a reoccuring theme of "the bigger the better" here. The bigger the rotor, the more surface area it will have which means more contact with the cooling air surrounding it.

Now let's look at why cross-drilling is a bad idea.

First - as we have already established, cross-drilling was never done to aid in cooling. Its purpose was to remove the worn away pad material so that the surfaces remained clean. As we all know this doesn't have much of a purpose nowadays.

Next - In terms of cooling: Yes - x-drilling does create more areas for air to go through, but remember - this is step 3 on the list of tasks. Let's look at how this affects steps 1 and 2. The drilling of the rotor removes material from the unit. This removal means less surface area for generating surface friction as well as less material to accept the DISSIPATED heat that was generated by the friction. Now because of this I want to optimize step one and 2 since those are the immediate needs. If it takes longer for the rotor to get rid of the heat it is ok. You will have a straight at some point where you can rest the brakes and let your cooling ducts do their job. My PRIMARY concern is making sure that my car slows down at the end of the straight. This means that the rotor needs to have as much surface as possible to generate as much friction as possible and it needs to DISSIPATE the resulting heat AWAY from the pads as quick as possible so they continue to work. In both cases x-drilling does nothing to help the cause.

Now let's talk about strength - and how x-drilled rotors lack it. This one is simple. What happens to a cast iron molecule when it is overheated? I will give you a little hint - the covalence bonds weaken. These bonds are what hold the molecules together. You do the math - it adds up to fractures.

So why don't race teams use them if they are so much better? Consistency? Hmmmm . . . no. I am gonna go with the real reason here. It is because of several factors actually. They are as follows but in no particular order:

- Less usable surface area for generating friction
- Less material to DISSIPATE the heat away from the pads
- Less reliable and they are a safety risk because of fatigue and stress resulting from the reduced material

And what are the benefits? Removal of particulate matter and enhanced heat removal. I gotta tell ya - it is a tough choice but I think I am going to stick with the safe, reliable, effective-for-my-stopping needs solution.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 02:19 PM
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http://www.formula1.com/insigh....html - they use a vented disc with no drills or slots, while their braking is much much more advanced (carbon systems) the basic setup is the same. the more surface area on the rotor the more heat it can dissipate, when you remove contact surface by drilling or slotting you remove effective heat dissipation area.

as for motorcycles, EXACTALLY, its a single thin disc with no vents between the 2 contact surfaces like all car rotors.


those are what cool a rotor for a street car, not slots, or drills.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 04:31 PM
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I have mine on just the oposite thats what my passenger side ones look
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