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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 03:59 PM
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I have an allmotor B18b mated to a GSR tranny(I miss my old B16 tranny ). Anyway when I shift from first to second my rpms drop pretty far and I feel a lil lag, which sucks; however 3rd and 4th gear pull very strong. Well I used to have a B16 tranny and it pulled through the gears fast and I never felt a lag, so I am wondering if I should swap out my GSR 2nd gear for a B16 second gear and possibly third gear as well. I think it will help out a lot, and I have been playing with the gear calculator to see what changes I would have.

GSR tranny:
1st: 3.230
2nd: 1.900
3rd: 1.360
4th: 1.034
5th: .787
FD: 4.40

Shifting from gear to gear I land at:

1st to 2nd: 4706 rpm
2nd to 3rd: 5726 rpm
3rd to 4th: 6082 rpm
4th to 5th: 6089 rpm

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GSR tranny with B16 2nd gear:
1st: 3.230
2nd: <FONT COLOR="red">2.105</FONT>
3rd: 1.360
4th: 1.034
5th: .787
FD: 4.40

Shifting from gear to gear I land at:

1st to 2nd: 5214 rpm
2nd to 3rd: 5169 rpm
3rd to 4th: 6082 rpm
4th to 5th: 6089 rpm

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GSR tranny with B16 2nd and 3rd gear:
1st: 3.230
2nd: <FONT COLOR="red">2.105</FONT>
3rd: <FONT COLOR="red">1.458</FONT>
4th: 1.034
5th: .787
FD: 4.40

Shifting from gear to gear I land at:

1st to 2nd: 5214 rpm
2nd to 3rd: 5541 rpm
3rd to 4th: 5674 rpm
4th to 5th: 6089 rpm

* This is if I were shifting at 8k in each gear


Any thoughts and comments would be beneficial! I am trying to put myself into my optimium powerband. Thanx.

The Setup:
1992 Civic Si HB
B18A Block/ B18B Head
-Mild PnP
-Crower 404 w/ JG Cam Gears
-Crower Valvesprings
-Ferrea SS Valves
-Cometic Head Gasket
-Skunk2 IM
-64mm TB
-Modified Iceman intake
-JDM ITR 4-1 header w/ 2.5" collector
-No Cat
-2.5" custom piping and exhaust
-P30 B16 Pistons
-Stock Rods
-GSR Tranny w/ LSD
-Exedy Flywheel
-Clutch Specialties 6-puck clutch
-SAFC2
-Chipped P75
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 03:49 AM
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No one has posted yet!

BUMP!
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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if you're referring to my calculations, i don't think they're perfect. something is flawed. for sure the B16 gears are shorter. if i had the money i'd put B16 2-4 gears into mine.
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 11:53 AM
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I used the gear calculator at auto-cross.com(or net or something).
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Old Apr 28, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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To the top. ^
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 01:33 PM
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bump it up again.

Talked to a guy last night that suggested a 4.9 FD instead of changing gears.
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Old Apr 29, 2005 | 06:16 PM
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4.785 is less than half the price and almost as high.

of course, then again, that will make first gear shorter, which may or may not be good. of course, it will make second a lot shorter, which is a big blessing for not having to shift to first or lug second on slow corners.
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 01:07 AM
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Wonder where Ican get them,b/c ppl want $35o - $375 for them used!
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 01:25 AM
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$400 new on ebay. a guy sells them all the time. search for integra countershaft, i think it pops up with that.
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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With a higher FD you will still be landing in the same RPM range with each shift.

Your GSR tranny with B16 2nd and 3rd gear combo is the same thing as the 98+JDM ITR tranny minus the 4.7 final drive.
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 10:54 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Teggie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">With a higher FD you will still be landing in the same RPM range with each shift.

Your GSR tranny with B16 2nd and 3rd gear combo is the same thing as the 98+JDM ITR tranny minus the 4.7 final drive. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats why I thought of doing the gears swap! And you can buy the gears cheap, like $25- $30 a gear off someone or $60 a piece new from Honda!


I just want a better second gear, and I would disappointed if I wasted my money on a 4.7 FD and it didnt make that big of a difference!
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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When you buy new gears you need the counter and mainshaft gear. They go for $50-80 a peice.

I think the 4.7 FD makes a big overall difference, some say it does nothing at all.
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Teggie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When you buy new gears you need the counter and mainshaft gear. They go for $50-80 a peice.

I think the 4.7 FD makes a big overall difference, some say it does nothing at all. </TD></TR></TABLE>

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