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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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Does anyone know if hf axles will work with sohc vtec swap and crx si trans?


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Old Apr 26, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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your DA (90-93 integra) knuckles will bolt up fine, but i wouldn't suggest using them. the suspension won't be quite right, your camber curve will be off and stuff, it just won't handle quite as good basically. now, you HAVE TO get an alignment after putting them on, though.

right now, i have stock dx/si front brakes, teg rear brakes, and a teg prop. valve. works nice, except i'd like a little better braking.

the master cylinder doesn't NEED to be replaced, but its a nice insurance in the way of pedal travel. its reccomended if you have bigger front brakes, too however.

to switch to the integra master cylinder, you also need its brake booster as their bolts are slightly different. if you get one out of a 90-91 civic ex, its bigger than yours, and i believe (someone correct me?) that the 91 ex is the same size as the integra (15/16")

it says on them.

make sure you get this stuff off a non-abs integra.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 03:52 AM
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Yeah my cousins wrecked integra ( wrecked into the door ) is about to be sent to a junkyard. He is pulling the rear brake conversion parts for me now. So you are saying using the rear is fine but the front DA stuff I shouldnt... which is going to be easier cause thats already gone off his car. So best bet is to use the rear da stuff and the mc and booster off the da as well.... then use dx/si front stuff?
That will work out best, cheapest, and easiet

I just wanted to make sure that setup will work well and the teg mc and booster wont throw off any balance or anything even though i will have dx/ si front parts.

and in this case what all do i need to have him pull with the mc and booster? thanks again everyone
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 06:04 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bagpipe goatee &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to switch to the integra master cylinder, you also need its brake booster as their bolts are slightly different. if you get one out of a 90-91 civic ex, its bigger than yours, and i believe (someone correct me?) that the 91 ex is the same size as the integra (15/16")

it says on them.

make sure you get this stuff off a non-abs integra.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The Integra master cylinder bolts aren't slightly different, they are mirror images. The Civic unit bolts on at 11 and 5 O'clock and the Integra unit bolts on at 2 and 7.
Civic Ex is 15/16 and will bolt on fine as well as an older Prelude (search to be sure).

ABS stuff works fine and is 1 inch. I use it on my car so, yeah it does fit.

If I were you, I'd find the biggest Civic MS I could find without changing the booster. That booster is pure evil to change.


The axles Use HF axles if you use HF hubs. If you use DX/Si or Integra hubs use DX or Si axles. Teg axles won't work.

Get the teg proportioning valve too for the rear discs.

You can use teg from spindles too. I ran them for a long time till someone on here scared me into thinking the EXs were better. I felt no difference.


Don't listen to the hype.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 08:05 AM
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Ok I think i am going to of course get the rear disc conversion off his 90-93 integra. I have to find si/dx front conversion since i have an hf and am going with the zc. Then I just found a 90 ex master cylinder for sale. best bet is I think to use that and keep my stock booster. That setup will be best easiet and work right?
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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easiest would be reuse the HF spindles and brakes.

you don't have to swap to anything because of the ZC, you can use the HF axles.
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Old Apr 27, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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easiest but i want the si/dx front brakes anyway so i might as well do it all right... the master cylinder from the 90 ex will work with that setup though right teg rear and 90 si front?
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 05:40 PM
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I'm starting to think maybe I could just buy new hf rotors and pads and axles and use all the hf stuff or would that be dumb? Does the si stuff really make that big of a difference as far as braking and for the axles if i am doing a rear disc conversion anyway?
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Old Apr 30, 2005 | 05:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JohnnieChimpo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You can use teg from spindles too. I ran them for a long time till someone on here scared me into thinking the EXs were better. I felt no difference.

Don't listen to the hype.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Old May 1, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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thanks i read that earlier now im wondering if hf stuff is really that bad?
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Old May 1, 2005 | 09:57 AM
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well, if you use the teg master cylinder, you have to use the booster too. it'll work, but its kinda a pain unbolting it under the dash.

if you use the rear discs, you probably want to use the proportioning valve, too. there are people who say you don't, and for a while i didn't, but if its there why not.

i didn't mean don't run the da knuckles, but i was just warning you that it wasn't *quite* right, but it'll work. i'm just kinda picky with my car, i know a lot of people who have run them and they survived perfectly fine.

me, personally, i wouldn't run on the hf brakes, but i'd switch to the si/dx ones. its not a hard swap at all, and it gives you "enough" braking power for most everything
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Old May 1, 2005 | 12:29 PM
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I cant find the dx/si parts anywhere but thats what i would like to do. that is what is holding me up because i need brakes like now.. also I'm only using the teg rear disc conversion and am going to use a 90 ex master cylinder.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 09:25 AM
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Ok. My pads are squealing like crazy now they needed to be replaced like last week lol. So someone answer this for me one time that is 100% sure. Hf axles meaning with all the stock hf knuckles/bearings/hubs/axles/brakes everything will it all work with a sohc vtec swap or zc swap. Basically will the axles work for sure I dont want to replace all of this hf stuff and than have to upgrade in a month. Thanks
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Old May 2, 2005 | 10:16 AM
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Anyone if I get a definite yes that the hf axles will work in a y8 motor with crx si trans then i am ordering the brakes now
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Old May 2, 2005 | 11:07 AM
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I know someone on here knows for sure
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Old May 2, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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I believe the axles will work, but since your dude has the DA setup available, why not take it? You'll want some reassuring stopping power with more engine underfoot. Then all you'd need are new axles.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 11:39 AM
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Only has the rear disc conversion... that will be the extra stopping power i need. But I'm more worried about the axles fitting into the crx si tranny and will work fine basically.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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Rear discs don't necessarily provide more stopping power.
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Old May 2, 2005 | 02:11 PM
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your right... do you know if the hf axles will work?
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Old May 3, 2005 | 06:47 AM
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Old May 3, 2005 | 08:20 AM
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I'm 75% sure that the tranny end of the axles are the same for all D-series, HF included. The hub end is where the HF is smaller.

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Old May 3, 2005 | 08:23 AM
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Thats what i need to know your 75% makes me a little more comfortable, hopefully someone can throw out that 100% that they have done it before.
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Old May 4, 2005 | 04:26 AM
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I went by richmond honda last night, a buddy of mine wanted to show me his his gsr swap in his 92 eg so Iwent by and asked him about the axles and he said he is about 75% sure too that all the tranny ends are the same except for the 4 speed ones so I guess I will go with the hf ones...
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