Is it possible that when i got my swap done they did a shitty job. like just threw the **** in. I kinda wanna say that it feels like an Ls at times.(power wise)It just doesnt pull like it should. What do you guys think, is there anything that i could check or i was thinking just bring it to a shop.

Heres my set up:
91 Teg
-with a 94 GSR swap(decent compression also i beleive)
-Stock Ls tranny
-B16 ECU

 

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Why the LS tranny?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by matto2413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is it possible that when i got my swap done they did a shitty job. like just threw the **** in. I kinda wanna say that it feels like an Ls at times.(power wise)It just doesnt pull like it should. What do you guys think, is there anything that i could check or i was thinking just bring it to a shop.

Heres my set up:
91 Teg
-with a 94 GSR swap(decent compression also i beleive)
-Stock Ls tranny
-B16 ECU
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thats your problem, ls tranny and b16 ecu...why b16 ecu? do u have a aftermarket IM becuz if u dont the b16 ecu wont open the butterflies. there is a guy her that said he zip tied the secondaries open and run b16 ecu so i guess u can try that until u get a p72

 

The ECU and the Tranny doesn't help either.....I can see why it feels like an LS.

I don't understand why anyone would get a GSR swap...keep an LS tranny. Unless your a highway cruise kinda guy.

But ya there isn't really anything wrong with your GSR swap...its your ecu and tranny.

 

or just unplug the vaccum from the secondary butterflie and plug the vaccum line up with a screw thats what i did when i ran on a p30 (obd1 b16 ecu) on my gsr and it actually felt faster then with my stock p72

 

The car should be slower than a stock gsr because of that tranny. The ECU isnt helping either

 

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i was once considering doing a '91 da with a '97 type-r swap at one point.. and the shop that was going to do it for me said that converting a cable tranny to a hydro is a real pain in the a$$. and not worth the time and effort.. that might be why he kept the ls tranny in there.

 

This isnt true. I have a 91 Rs with a 98 Gsr with b16 ecu and a S1 Ls tranny. At least I think it is Ls. My car dont feel slow at all. It pulls hard as hell and pins you in the seat when I get on it and start banging gears. and I can only rev to 7200 right now cuz the pr3 is automatic. So I could imagine the difference when I can rev to the full potential of it. As for butterflies those things are bitches... Best bet is to just ground it and thats it.. it will keep them open all the time. You can wire a relay or rpm switch to it.. but thats up to you. I dont think I felt a difference when I did that.

 

With my tranny I am at 4k at 80mph ... idk if thats what a Ls tranny does or something else.

 

havent got around to swaping out the Ls tranny yet cause im not sure which one i want to with.and i know the LS has longer gears, which i thought would be a good think, because i do plan on turboing it, and therefor id stay in boost longer. Then again theres the B16 and the GSR trannys that both have shorts gears, which is better for accleration in such. but ill through the gears really which, and with boost thats not good. So im not sure which tranny to go with. what do you guys think???And with the ls at 90 im at like 4100.Granted VTEC kicks in at 4900, but it doesnt really start to pull till like 6K
And as for the B16 ECU thats what actually came with the swap, weird i know. if i go with a GSR ECU you think it'll make that big of a difference?

 

why not just use the ls 5th gear? I know people that have used a b16 tranny with an ls 5th gear well if I remember right

 

YYour car feels like that because you got an S1 tranny. The goot thing is that an S1 is just a b16 tranny with an ls input shaft and lsd thats why you are at 4k at 70mph, kick *** tranny though, i lucked up and got 1 off a kid that didnt know what he had. I love it major diff. bad thing is that with out an ecu(I have a PR4) u hit the rev limiter in 5th gear at 117 mph but up untill then its bad ***

 

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if ur rpms are 4k at 80 then u have a gsr tranny. it should be 3k at 60. just my .02.

 

my LS tranny would be ok to run because i do plan on turboing it correct. the gears are longer, therefore id stay in boost longer

 

because it is slow. you have a stock gsr motor with an ls tranny.

 

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People saying shorter gearing is better for turbo isn't their opinion, it's a fact, it's grade 10 physics. Shorter gearing means more actual torque put to the wheels, think of shorter gearing as running a pulley system to lift something up, you do the work quicker. Gearing is the same way. You want the absolute most shortest gear possible, realisticly. An LS on 23.1" tires with a 9000 redline is already turning 115 MPH in third gear. Way too long.

Think of it this way too. When you rode your mountain bike as a kid, would you run the short gears or the long gears? its like sitting down on the seat. Not much torque, not much mechanical advantage. You need the shorter gears to make the most of the torque you're producing. When you're standing up you could run the longer gears to accelerate, but you still accelerate much faster with the shorter gears.

It's been proven time and time again that the LS tranny and the "longer gears for boost" stuff is pure garbage. There is a lot of internet crap that has been started over hondas, and the LS tranny for boost one is just as wrong as any of the other examples.

 

so my best bet is to replace the tranny with either an B16 or a GSR. I forgot which one has shorter gears out of the 2. Now i was about to buy a skunk 2 Type R ECU. but then i wasnt sure to do it or not. Cuz i was thinking that i could keep the B16 ECU,and just get a aftermarket intake manifold. which i believe that way i wouldnt have the butterfly problem correct? WHen they also did the swap they kept the LS wiring. They never put in the GSR wiring.so right now my ECU is ODB0(SO isnt the wiring harness) but the Motor is ODB1. its kinda weird. Which is why i think i still am using the Ls distributor. So my question is if i do get an ODB1 ECU, should i also get GSR wiring harness? but if i do that id have to replace the distributor correct. OR could i just get an ODB0-ODB1 conversion harness

 

i found both a blox and a edelbrook intake manifolds for about 200. im thinkin about buying one of those,that way i wouldnt have to worry about the butterfly problem with the stock GSR manifold,and i could also keep my B16 ECU


Modified by matto2413 at 6:10 PM 4/25/2005

 

my 94 gsr motor is in a 91 ls chassy. if my motor has gsr injectors in it (which i dont know) and the ls uses a resistor box with peak and hold injectors, could this be givig me the problem? having the wrong injector impedance? im not sure if i have saturated or un-saturated injectors, is there a way to tell the diffrence?

 

all b series injectors are 240
90-91 are non obd

hope that helps

 

if hes usin the g2 ls tranny then it should be just as fast, g2s have tight gears

but if its a 3rd gen then it should be slower. what rpms do you cruise at on the highway?

 

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Heres my set up:
91 Teg
-with a 94 GSR swap(decent compression also i beleive)
-Stock Ls tranny
-B16 ECU
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its a da its not gonna be that quick. i had a b16a with mods in a 1990 gs integra and it was really really slow. the da's are heavy. not to mention that ls tranny sucks as well.

 

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its a da its not gonna be that quick. i had a b16a with mods in a 1990 gs integra and it was really really slow. the da's are heavy. not to mention that ls tranny sucks as well. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Huh? lol No. A DA is only a slight bit heavier depending on trim. And you are talking about a b16 vs a GSR here. way different. even with mods the b16's not gonna be that fast in any car other then a lightweight EF.

 

B16 gearing is shorter than GSR, just FYI.

 

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People saying shorter gearing is better for turbo isn't their opinion, it's a fact, it's grade 10 physics. Shorter gearing means more actual torque put to the wheels, think of shorter gearing as running a pulley system to lift something up, you do the work quicker. Gearing is the same way. You want the absolute most shortest gear possible, realisticly. An LS on 23.1" tires with a 9000 redline is already turning 115 MPH in third gear. Way too long.

Think of it this way too. When you rode your mountain bike as a kid, would you run the short gears or the long gears? its like sitting down on the seat. Not much torque, not much mechanical advantage. You need the shorter gears to make the most of the torque you're producing. When you're standing up you could run the longer gears to accelerate, but you still accelerate much faster with the shorter gears.

It's been proven time and time again that the LS tranny and the "longer gears for boost" stuff is pure garbage. There is a lot of internet crap that has been started over hondas, and the LS tranny for boost one is just as wrong as any of the other examples.

</TD></TR></TABLE>dude, theres a certain practicality that comes along with long gears. who the **** wants to ride at 80 mph on the highway at 20,000 rpms?! and long gears on a boosted motor means traction much of the time. and theres no arguing that. the "loss of torque" allows for more grip. 10th grade physics right?

name me the last time you lost traction because your legs created too much torque for your tires to handle? horrible horrible analogy man. your not taking everything into consideration. unless your legs are strong as a ************.