im think im gonna have my car tuned with neptune i just want to know what everyone thinks about it and how much does it usually cost? Do you think i will be able to tune my skunk2 pro1 cams with this anyone chime in.

 

I don't think YOU will be able to tune your cams with it. But a Neptune dealer would be able to tune just about anything you throw at it. Terrific program with the only drawback being YOU can't use/tune with it. Any adjustment will have to be brought back to them.

 

hondata

 

Neptune is a great software and many consider it to be more superior than hondata and your car will be tuned by an expert tuner. the only thing is you can't tune it yourself, so if you add new parts down the road and need to retune it, you have to take it back to the shop. and the cost varied depends on which tuner you go to and you might have to drive a long distance if you don't have a certify shop nearby.

 

The people that consider it superior to hondata are for the most part people that have a vested interest in Neptune itself. Like always $$ matters.

 

i just want to have my car tuned so that it runs good im not going to do anymore mods on my car after these cams. Plus i live 5min for titanmotorsports and that is where darin can tune it.

 

Than go with Neptune. It has far more features and options and is quicker to tune which means less money out of your pocket for wasted hours of dyno time with Hondata. To my understanding not many people are vested in Neptune yet many people say it is better than Hondata.

Explain to me why you like Hondata more than Neptune. Or what Hondata has that Neptune does not besides user adjustability. (But even that is expensive as hell)

 

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Explain to me why you like Hondata more than Neptune. Or what Hondata has that Neptune does not besides user adjustability. (But even that is expensive as hell)</TD></TR></TABLE>
To tell you the truth im not very familar with what is different between them i talked to darin about getting my car tuned and he told me this is what he uses

 

i hear neptunes better than hondata cuz it has more tables which u can tune from

 

The above ? was directed towards Nikos rather than yourself. :-) Didn't mean to sound to imposing there.

 

is there any other ppl here who use neptune On some all motor setups?


Modified by vinasity at 10:51 PM 4/12/2005

 

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I don't have a vested interest in Neptune.

The advantages it has are that the author is much more responsive to feature requests than Hondata will ever be.

Neptune has features Hondata (for OBD1 ecus) is unlikely to ever have. Individual cylinder trims for timing and fuel. Gear-based timing and fuel adjustments. Both of these allow a tuner to make a SAFER tune without sacrificing power.
Neptune is cheaper for the end user who is going to go to a tuner, and it lets the tuner do their job more quickly and effectively.
The people going to a tuner to be tuned are better served by Neptune than S100 Hondata, particularly because Neptune doesn't have a staged "option" structure that adds additional cost to the unit. To get boost, 3-step or datalogging you have to buy the s200 system. Boost is an extra charge over the standard s200. 3-step and datalogging used to be extra until Neptune came out. The people who can handle doing a re-tune themselves probably won't go to a pro tuner in the first place.
Neptune flat out saves people money.

 

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CLIFFNOTES VERSION of......


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alphajesse &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't have a vested interest in Neptune.

The advantages it has are that the author is much more responsive to feature requests than Hondata will ever be.

Neptune has features Hondata (for OBD1 ecus) is unlikely to ever have. Individual cylinder trims for timing and fuel. Gear-based timing and fuel adjustments. Both of these allow a tuner to make a SAFER tune without sacrificing power.
Neptune is cheaper for the end user who is going to go to a tuner, and it lets the tuner do their job more quickly and effectively.
The people going to a tuner to be tuned are better served by Neptune than S100 Hondata, particularly because Neptune doesn't have a staged "option" structure that adds additional cost to the unit. To get boost, 3-step or datalogging you have to buy the s200 system. Boost is an extra charge over the standard s200. 3-step and datalogging used to be extra until Neptune came out. The people who can handle doing a re-tune themselves probably won't go to a pro tuner in the first place.
Neptune flat out saves people money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

THIS.....Well said

 

I am really considereing neptune. The thing that perplexes me is how does neptune have all those feature and no interface box? hondata have the blue interface box. wtf? Hopefully we can get some experienced input on this and get neptune on a roll. I am pretty sure all you need is a socketed ecu to run neptune. The dealer does the rest.

 

Nikos,

Not to say that you are wrong here, but if you compare the systems back to back (Hondata vs. Neptune), if you were a tuner with access to both softwares, you'd choose Neptune based on 3 basic things:

1. Features. There are MANY things that the Hondata code just can not or does not do at this time. Some of the things that I am referring to are: Gear based correction, IAT correction, adjustable map scalars, accord/prelude ecu support, more configurable inputs/outputs, etc..

2. Support. Tell me how frequent the updates and bug fixes are with Hondata and the S-series systems. The K-series get updates all the time.

3. Price. This is something that everyone likes, there are no additional charges for boost, or any other option. Up until recently, customers had to pay for the datalogging and 3 step features as well.

Don't get me wrong, I still fully support and sell Hondata systems, as well as tune them all the time. Hell, I've been selling their products since they were in New Zealand, and sell/tune more Hondata systems than I probably ever will Neptune. The K-Series stuff has no equal, in my opinion, and probably won't for a very long time. If I were a customer looking to get my car tuned, I would probably go with whatever the tuner is most comfortable with, as being a guinea pig is just asking for a blown motor. Its not all about money, its about what the system can do. The blue box is there for a reason, one of which is copy protection, which is why the Neptune software is only available to certain trusted and qualified tuners.

Hope I didn't ramble too much..

 

Locash, if you don't mind, i was wondering if you could just inform us about some general things about neptune. I think one reason its not very popular right now is because awareness. Hondata is tried and true and honda-tech loves that kind of product. I understand the features and their available on the website but there's a few things only you could probably answer.

What all equipment does one need to buy/have in order to be prepped for neptune?

IS the launch/3 step controllable by the user?

How does the program know which gear the car is in?

any info on how one needs to go about getting neptuned, to me this part seems most confusing.? of course an obd-1 ECU setup, but what else?

Thanks.

 

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Socketed OBD1 MPFI ECU

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The 2-step is, yes...

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Speed vs RPM... The same way many other engine management systems calculate the gear...


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A handful of tuners can answer those questions... and many of the happy users that are running it flawlessly and have watched their tuners use the software on their cars... There are a lot more users than you think, your assessment of the popularity may very well be wrong... However, popularity has little to do with the goals and objectives of this product, so it stays behind the scenes...

 

Thanks a lot for the info. You may have very well convinced me to go neptune.

 

No problem...

 

Neptune is the way to go...had two cars tuned with it by Jeff Evans in PA(great tuner by the way)....with all the features it has and how often it gets updated with new features..i will never run a diff system...Neptune all the way!

 

neptune
jeff evans
thats all i gotta say

 

so how does the car owner/driver adjust the 2-step? I think i am 100% going neptune now.

 

TPS threshold... Your tuner will explain and show you when he sets it up...

 

sounds good.

 

Another thing that I have learned from reading "neptune vs hondata" threads is the fact that neptune can can tune itb setups much more accurately/ reliably.

That is a huge plus in my book.....