Ok If i have my car at 3000 to 4000rpm and let off the gas, i can pull it out of gear no problem. But how do i get it in gear without pressing in the clutch?

 

You don't You're DoEs AnYoNe KnOw WheRe I CaN GeT SoMe StRObE LiTEZ AnD LiGhT uP WiNdShiElD NoZzLeS?? up your clutch if you do it

 

The clutch is there for a reason. Use it.

 

you wanna shift wihout cluth? get automatic lolz

 

I am not looking for what i should and should not do but a answer to my question.

 

i think ur talking about double cluthing? this is only used when downshifting use ur cluth if u done want to break ur car

 

Yes you can do it. It's how semi trucks do it. I do not recommend it though on a regular car, as it is rough on the tranny, not so much as the clutch.

The basic theory is: Once you pull it out of gear, you have to match the rpms to what it would be, depending on what they would be in the next gear at that speed. Example. If I shift regularly at 4,000 rpm, and the next gear drops to 2,750, then when I pull out of gear w/o the clutch at 4,000, I want to wait until the rpms drop to 2,750 before I put it in gear. You see? It's best if you press with a firm/light force (NOT TO THE POPINT OF GRINDING) after you pull it out, until it reaches that specific RPM, in which case, it will most likely slide into gear. Sometimes it will grind, other times it won't. There are times when you might have to rev it a few times to get the right rpm to just *click* it in. I worked for a company working with Semi trucks right after HS years back, so I learned how to do this. I got bored and tried it on my Mazda, and low and behold, I could do it.

I can think of numerous times when I've needed to do this in the Prelude. Anytime my hydraulic system goes out, or needs to be bled severely, when the pressure plate became stuck engaged etc... I've had to drive like that four or five times in the past two years just to get it home. It never hurts to know how, just don't get in the habit.

 

JG is (as usual) 100% correct. The RPM matching is the same principle that makes heel/toe shifting the most efficient way to downshift in a corner. If you have a racing clutch you almost have to RPM match or you could cause some serious pain to your tranny (and neck).



note: your syncros will suffer each time you don't get it just right...it's your choice whether to risk it or not!


[Modified by LudeLC, 9:05 PM 1/29/2002]

 

Wow, I am suprised most people on this topic did not know. Oh well.

Every tranny have a exact shift point, humans are not perfect so theres a clutch to allow shift at any point. If you find/ask/learn where your shift points are you only need clutch for 1st gear. If you land it perfect, gear slides in no problem. My old 1990 legend I shifted 1st to 2nd @ 2,935 (not much room for error) and didn't use clutch, only rare times of course, I only missed once - that's the bad part.

I would NOT recommend ever trying this by the way, you can tear your tranny up. If you have experience and a careful eye/foot reaction time it still can be tricky.

 

" another prelude bites the dust... "

 

Actually, we just didn't tell him because he shouldn't be doing it. H22A synchros are weak enough. They don't need the extra abuse.

 

I didn't say i was going to do it, I just want to know how.

 

I havew heard of people shifting without a clutch by letting the rpm's getting high, and then pull it into the next hear. I use the clutch always, dont even want to try it.

 

Yeah its a good thing to be able to do if your in a jam, but dont do it regularly.

 

JG Luder is right, you have to match the RPMs. when pulling it out of gear don't just pull it hard and try to get it into next gear. it will grind for sure. you have to wait for a second or two and just have it ready to go in. when the RPMs match, it will just click in. i've done it many times... it's not that hard. sometimes it's very usefull to know this. but, unless you have to do it, i wouldn't suggest it. clutch is there for a reason ya know.


[Modified by EG6JDMspec, 3:47 AM 1/30/2002]

 

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rev it up to 3000rpm, ease off the gas (completely), gently ease it into gear, ease it in slow, its pretty cool, but is not ideal, takes too long (2 sec.) just to shift. sometimes i do it just because my damn leg is too lazy

 

yeah, JG's right completly. About 4 days after I bought my lude my clutch went complley out. The pedal would just lay on the floor, it was 11:30 pm at night and I was on a back state highway in the middle of nowhere headed to my friends college to party. To get the car going, I had to put the car in first gear, start the car while giving it slight gas, once the car got going I had to use this method to shift into every gear, getting it into second wasn't too hard, third was a b!t(h, forth was almost impossible, I only got it in fourth once, I had to drive the whole car like this almost 40 miles, needles to say, since starting was sooo hard and getting up to speed was even harder, I was driving with my blinkers on and running every stoplight and stopsign I could safely(wasn't too dangerous, I could see most of the cars, if any, that late at night) run the whole way. I guess it wasn't too bad, I did get lucky, one cop passed me shortly after running a stop sign, I know he had to see me, I guess he knew there musta been somthing wrong. Anyway, this is gettin way to long for a tech post, cheers

 

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