What up fellas..listen the time has come were i would like to put a little more GO into my show car. It is a 99 honda sedan and the current f23 is equiped with:

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intake
exhaust
throttle body plate spacer
msd wires
zex nitrous system 65 shot..

I have been pricing turbo systems for the car and even with sponsorships and hook ups im looking at at least probably 2500 once purchased and installed.
I like the turbonetics system.

Now h22 swaps i can probably get for around 1500 to 1700...never been in a lude so i dont know what the engine feels like...

SO MY SITutation is as follows:

Which engine mod or swap is a better idea??? Will a h22 swap bolt up to my existing f series tranny, or will i need the tranny too?

Is the turbo reliable since i want the car to function as well as it looks???

Info that might help you guys with your input..

MY CAR IS AN AUTO..

IM RIDING ON A 19INCH WHEEL PACKAGE AND WANT TO CONTINUE ON A 19 INCH PACKAGE AND GO FASTER....

WITH THE F23 WITH ALL THE MODS AND SPRAY I RAN A 15.3 ON 19S..AND I WANT THE CAR FASTER THAN THAT WITHOUT SPRAY IF POSSIBLE...

Like i said guys all info would be appreicated....im very eager to come to a solution..late fellow techs,,

the car probably will be driven three times a week more or less

 

Your main problem will be the tranny. The auto tranny just won't hold much more power. My F23 has been boosted for over a year now and my next build up will include an H series manual tranny swap. So, your options are:

1) Build the F23, turbo, and manual swap.

2) H22, turbo, manual swap.

I would personally go with the F23 build because it's more original and a built motor will take more power than a stock H22 any day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
header
intake
exhaust
throttle body plate spacer----this does nothing, i'd just get rid of it
msd wires
zex nitrous system 65 shot..

I have been pricing turbo systems for the car and even with sponsorships and hook ups im looking at at least probably 2500 once purchased and installed.
I like the turbonetics system.

Now h22 swaps i can probably get for around 1500 to 1700...never been in a lude so i dont know what the engine feels like...

SO MY SITutation is as follows:

Which engine mod or swap is a better idea??? Will a h22 swap bolt up to my existing f series tranny, or will i need the tranny too?

Is the turbo reliable since i want the car to function as well as it looks???

Info that might help you guys with your input..

MY CAR IS AN AUTO..

IM RIDING ON A 19INCH WHEEL PACKAGE AND WANT TO CONTINUE ON A 19 INCH PACKAGE AND GO FASTER....

WITH THE F23 WITH ALL THE MODS AND SPRAY I RAN A 15.3 ON 19S..AND I WANT THE CAR FASTER THAN THAT WITHOUT SPRAY IF POSSIBLE...

Like i said guys all info would be appreicated....im very eager to come to a solution..late fellow techs,,

the car probably will be driven three times a week more or less</TD></TR></TABLE>

ugh.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stinker504 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your main problem will be the tranny. The auto tranny just won't hold much more power. My F23 has been boosted for over a year now and my next build up will include an H series manual tranny swap. So, your options are:

1) Build the F23, turbo, and manual swap.

2) H22, turbo, manual swap.

I would personally go with the F23 build because it's more original and a built motor will take more power than a stock H22 any day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

While the F23 may be a more 'original' build almost everything would have to be custom built if you build the F23, whereas there are valves, rods, pistons, etc already available for the H.

You'll definitely want to do a manual swap, I tried to turbo my auto accord....bleh...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You'll definitely want to do a manual swap, I tried to turbo my auto accord....bleh...</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol.. what happend when you did that?

 

I had a boosted f23 in my 99. It didn't last too long because I am an idiot and ran it without a timing retard module = blew the f**k up. however, ALL the turbo equipment bolted up to the H22 with the exception of the exhaust manifold. Worse case, boost the F23 and if it goes bad, then you can still swap to an H22 pretty easily

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cambopheonix56 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol.. what happend when you did that?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The turbo worked once then I needed a new shift linkage thingee...

 

you could go alot faster if you ditch the 19s. yeah a boosted f23 would beat up on STOCK h22. but after market parts for the h22 are more accessible. not to mention if you boosted the h22 with a h23 tranny, to the exact same degree that you would boost the f23, then f23 wouldn't hang.

 

how the HELL do i do a manual swap from a auto tranny...i usually do all my work,, i defintely know that i dont have the tools or know how to do that!!....

is the auto tranny that weak, i mean, i dont want to launch off the line like vin diesel or anything, but can the auto tranny hold the turbo power for highway passing and occasionally racing...or is it really that f%^kin weak,,

if i was to turbo the f23 i would probably work the head, p and p it, angle job, you know that stuff,,,

if i do a h22, i PRObably wont turbo it cuz i got money, i just dont feel like droping close to 5 grand in the engine bay..which is more reliable,,,

i so f#$%kin confused...

 

cant ditch the 19s its a show car sorry....maybe do a stagger fit of 18 in front and 19 in rear,,but then again im getting added cost in another area which i realy dont want to do....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cant ditch the 19s its a show car sorry.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I say get some 22" DUBs Spinnaz. Holla Front.


If you need power, go boost.

If you don't have that much money, but more than 4000 dollars then boost the F23, if you are willing to spend more money then boost the H22.

 

so which is it you have a 99 accord or 2000 you sig throws me off a little? Id vote boost the f23 and get 5 speed, those parts can be had from top companies, I have a set of eagle forged rods for f23, plan to build my 01 5speed and have been in contact with companies such as pauter and crower, je, they already have the specs to make pistons valve-t etc. for f23a noone charging to bad either. And I used to have a 2001 na lude with about 5 thousand dollars in it, and I can honestly say 6 psi of boost on stock internals would beat my lude. I love this f23 5 speed but havent checked into readily available parts for it that could be a problem.

 

yah but what point is boosting it from normal driving my tranny is gonna say bye bye,,,,

boost the f series will only cost me bout 2500 for the kit ..

h series auto will probably be less.....

22s on the car would just be stupid.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> yah but what point is boosting it from normal driving my tranny is gonna say bye bye,,,,</TD></TR></TABLE>

Some people are on their 4th 6th gen trannies even without a turbo kit. These are FAULTY, not just weak. I'm on my 2.5th tranny already. I'd never do it if I thought it might be faulty.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h series auto will probably be less.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

It'll be a lot less because its not a very useful swap. The auto transmissions suck up more power and you really wont feel much of a change if you just swap to another auto.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">22s on the car would just be stupid..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

So are anything over 18" really, but we're not picking on you for it....yet...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by leoverte &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

22s on the car would just be stupid.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Nah man, it gives me M4d pointz at tha car show. Remember it's for a show car.

Edit: 22 are better than 19s.

 

so your basically saying that i can boost my f23 SOME what safely concerning the engine with stock internals..and if i work the head,,,i will be even better off???

Everyone is basically telling me though that the tranny WILL go..no matter what i do with boosting at any level....that sucks.....

how do i DO a someWHAT mild cost 5spd swap...which is something i really dont want to do because i like to not have to worry bout shifting with this car....so what may i be able to do, if anything to beef the auto tran...

my bad my car is a 99, my boy who made the thread thought is was a 2000 since when i first started honda tech i didnt know ****....

 

thanks for not pickin on me....yet......

 

The Accord tranny WILL go eventually no matter what defect there is present...

If you run 4-6 lbs of boost and have a transmission cooler, you'll get at least a year out of it before its gone.

You could try Level 10, they do custom transmission building and could do it for you but it would be pricey.

An Accord auto-manual swap is anywhere from the cost of parts (i'd say minimum 800) to having someone do it for you (up to 2 grand) but it'd be a hell of a lot stronger than the automatic.

Stock engine can take 10 lbs daily driven easily, I just wouldnt try pushing it. Its a good solid iron block and it shouldnt be a problem.

Now if you stick with some 17s on the car i'd be damn proud of you

Theres a guy with a 6th gen with huge wheels on it (i'd say 20s) in my neighborhood I wish I had a pic, theyre multispokes and it raises his car up like 3 more inches, he's like a ******* pioneer wagon.

 

Hey skunk, I have an 01' LX 5-spd and I really don't have much hope for it...right now I'm looking at doing suspension but i'm thinking about turboing in the future..you give me something to hope for, lol. Accordselux...are you talking about the auto tranny or 5-spd?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Corruption &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey skunk, I have an 01' LX 5-spd and I really don't have much hope for it...right now I'm looking at doing suspension but i'm thinking about turboing in the future..you give me something to hope for, lol. Accordselux...are you talking about the auto tranny or 5-spd? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Auto tranny. The 5 speed is fort ******* knox compared to the auto.

 

lol, what do you recommend? H22 or a decent turbo running 8-10PSI?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Corruption &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lol, what do you recommend? H22 or a decent turbo running 8-10PSI?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'd go or an F boosted for 2 reasons:

1) Theyre cheap. You could buy another one for 500 bucks and build it up and swap it in when youre finished.

2) Theyre cheap. When one blows, you can just swap in another one.

Did I mention theyre cheaper?

 

hey accordselx...can i get you number to talk to you bout the issue,,you seen to be answering more than other cats...and you seen to have the know know how on this issue,,,

 

boost the f23, u could easily do 10psi on stock internals with proper tuning, accordfreak i believe was boosting 14psi on stock motor til his car was totalled, if u piece together ur turbo kit yourself u could do it easily for $1200-1500 w/o fuel management, since 6th gens are pretty heavy, i dont think u will be as happy with an h22 swap as if ur car was a 4th or 5th gen

whether u stay f23 or go h22 u wanna do the tranny swap, h22 autos are just as bad as the 6th gen accord autos

if u get the h22 u have to get an h22 tranny, if u stay with the f23 any tranny will do, but the h22 tranny would be the best(excluding euro-r, etc.), to the person who said the h23 tranny go read in the FI forum, despite what people will tell u, shorter gears are always better than longer ones, even for boosted apps

 

boost the f23.

h22 makes about the same HP as the v6 accord and torque is about the same as the f23. bottom line, you won't be too mcuh faster than a 6th gen v6 accord already is

h22 has to be sleeved before you can run aftermarket forged internals. F23 has iron sleves already, so forged internals can go in a stock block.