Hey,

Here's my brake setup on my hatch:

Front/Rear Integra Brakes
JDM ITR MC and BB

Ok, well I changed my pads today because my old ones were shot. I bled the system really well (went through a whole big bottle) and then took it for a test drive. The brakes are still very powerful, it's just that the pedal feels looser than before. I need to press the pedal alot further down to get the car to stop.

EDIT: Forgot to add, I bought the crappiest pads at Advance because they didn't have anything else in stock.

What's wrong?

 

TTT

 

what pads did you have on there before, if you had any type of preformance pad then its prolly the crapp pads

 

You don't HAVE to change the brake fluid when you do the pads. I never do both at once because it creates situations like the one you're in, where it makes it difficult to troubleshoot. Anyway, a lot of times when you bleed the brakes on an older master cylinder, if you're not careful you can mess up the master cyl. You want to put a small book under the pedal to stop it from going all the way to the floor. Hopefully you just need to bleed the system again. Make sure you're doing the wheels in the correct order, and be smooth and consistent with the pedal. If you jam on the brake pedal, you're going to get shitty results. I've had instances where I bled the crap out of the system, took the car for a drive and it had a mushy pedal, brought it back and bled it again and then the pedal was solid.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shaundrake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't HAVE to change the brake fluid when you do the pads. I never do both at once because it creates situations like the one you're in, where it makes it difficult to troubleshoot. Anyway, a lot of times when you bleed the brakes on an older master cylinder, if you're not careful you can mess up the master cyl. You want to put a small book under the pedal to stop it from going all the way to the floor. Hopefully you just need to bleed the system again. Make sure you're doing the wheels in the correct order, and be smooth and consistent with the pedal. If you jam on the brake pedal, you're going to get shitty results. I've had instances where I bled the crap out of the system, took the car for a drive and it had a mushy pedal, brought it back and bled it again and then the pedal was solid.</TD></TR></TABLE>I think you're absolutely right. My dad helped me and he was pushing the pedal in really fast when he did it. I bled the system like 100 times each side. I'll try again.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by shaundrake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You want to put a small book under the pedal to stop it from going all the way to the floor.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I have someone pump 5 times then on the 5th pump they hold it in all the way and I bleed the brake. I should put a book on the firewall so it doesn't go all the way to the floor when he holds the pedal in after the 5th pump?

I bleed from RL,FR,RR,FL.

 

I think what shaundrake is getting at is that in normal daily driven operation, when applying the brakes, the brake pedal itself never gets to the floor. This means that there is an area in the master cylinder bore where the piston never touches it which means, with infrequent fluid changes, rust and crap can build up in that bore area. Remember, brake fluid is hygroscopic which means it likes to pull moisture out of the air.

So when you go to bleed the brakes and you pump, pump, pump, hold and then someone cracks the bleeder valve, the chances of the master cylinder piston going into that crudded up area can happen which in turn can tear up its seal.

So....put a book under the brake pedal to prevent this from happening.

Your bleed order seems to agree with the Helms, so cool there.