What are some other ways to increase faster braking with changing out for rear disc? Changing rotors and brake pads? My friend advised that rear disc are not neccessary unless your gonna be at high mph and do sudden turns and whatnot. I was thinking that rear disc were neccessary with a engine swap for safety.

EDIT: I searched in the FAQ thread but I couldnt find improving braking with front disc and rear drums.

 

I don't think you really can do anything to improve it. What you have is the best you can do. I guess you could put in new brake pads.

 

from what i learned from tech school, 70% of brake use comes from the front and only 30% on rear so i wouldnt worry much about the rear since most stopping application comes from the front.

 

So how bad can it be to switch a EX hub to a Si hub and keep rear as drums?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dchan86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So how bad can it be to switch a EX hub to a Si hub and keep rear as drums? </TD></TR></TABLE>

You just wanna swap rear drums for Si's? Prolly take a good day to swap.

 

I think he meant just keep the rear drums, but change his fronts to Si's. I have a DX right now and I'm gonna go for either a rear disc conversion and keep my fronts or do both.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chowmien &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think he meant just keep the rear drums, but change his fronts to Si's. I have a DX right now and I'm gonna go for either a rear disc conversion and keep my fronts or do both.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah. To swap the rotors it will be a matter of an hour for both.

 

Even thought 70% of braking goes to the front, you can tell when a car has rear discs. It stops so much faster. With prices ranging from 250-300 bucks, I recommend you just buy them. You will be glad you did! And as far as needing them for high mph, that crap! CRX Si have them, almost all true jdm cars have them. Its cheaper to put drum brakes on a car. Its only a brake drum, brake pads and spings -vs- rotor and caliper. A disc setup has less moving parts, making it easier to change pads..

 

rear discs are not a necessity. i ran for 6 years with an 5lug swap with nsx calipers on my nationally competitive SCCA car. recently i swapped to a 99 dx civic setup (9.4 front, drum rear). i turned the rotors and installed cobalt gt sport pads in the front, and adjusted the drums. that is all that was needed for the car to stop nearly as fast as the previous setup. the only reason rear disc is needed is for extended track time, as rear disc has better heat dissipation during extended track driving.
other then that, the average schmoe running around in the street is not going to see a difference. just swap a good pad in front, and make sure the drums are properly adjusted and you will be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rodney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> rear discs are not a necessity. i ran for 6 years with an 5lug swap with nsx calipers on my nationally competitive SCCA car. recently i swapped to a 99 dx civic setup (9.4 front, drum rear). i turned the rotors and installed cobalt gt sport pads in the front, and adjusted the drums. that is all that was needed for the car to stop nearly as fast as the previous setup. the only reason rear disc is needed is for extended track time, as rear disc has better heat dissipation during extended track driving.
other then that, the average schmoe running around in the street is not going to see a difference. just swap a good pad in front, and make sure the drums are properly adjusted and you will be fine. </TD></TR></TABLE>


My friend basically summed it up like that. I guess ill keep drums but at the saem tiem look for some very cheap rear disc.

 

I still disagree, I have driven cars with both and 8/10 cars with disc always stop better. I guess I am the kind of person than can tell the difference. *I do agree thought cars with drums CAN stop just as fast as cars with discs. They have to be adjusted accordingly. BUT a cars wheels with drums will never look as cool as cars with rear discs. J ust my .02

 

How would I go about adjusting my rear drums?

 

Ask Rodney - I dont like rear drums...

 

lol alright, I don't like drums either, but I don't have money for rear discs just yet so adjusting my drums would be my best bet.

 

I would swap out your fronts for Integra brakes before I touched the rear brakes.

OR

Upgrade to a 15/16th MC. I'm sure even with stock brakes it'll make a big difference, but it would create more forward brake bias as well.

 

(7:42 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: hi


(7:45 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: these threads are here all the time. can i educate you on brakes?

(7:50 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: i know all about em. im doin a upgrade now

(7:53 PM 4/3/2005) dchan86: if you want lol

(9:03 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: what car do you have now that wants upgrading?


(9:04 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: you have levels. 96-00 civics have the options:


(9:04 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: stock DX/LX/CX take a 9.5" rotor. if you have this, your screwed.

(9:04 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: the EX and Si take identical brakes, a 10.4" rotor

(9:05 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: this can be upgraded simply with calipers from a 2nd or 3rd gen integra, the 3rd gen taking slightly bigger and more expensive calipers

(9:05 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: the calipers from a integra have a larget piston. this helps braking with no need to change rotors

(9:06 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: then you can upgrade the back to discs

(9:07 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: the easiest cheapest upgrade is to go with good pads and rotors. your best bet is Brembo blank rotors, and AEM pads

(9:08 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: brembo rotors are perfect OEM fitment, and AEM's pads are made in conjunction with nissin, the company that makes your calipers

(9:08 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: so obviously those are gonna fit perfectly

(9:09 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: then you have type-R brakes, a 11.1" rotor with ITR calipers. this bolts on, except for one part. the caliper MOUNT must have 3mm ground off of it, via a angle grinder, or milling machine.

(9:09 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: with the ground bracket, you can fit ITR calipers

(9:10 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: if this is STILL not enough stopping power, use that bracket and get some NSX calipers, twin pot

(9:10 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: MUCH more effective than a disc conversion, and you can use this with stock rear drums and brake a LOT better than stock ITR brakes

(9:11 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: if you STILL need more power, then the 94 Legend GS has a twin pot caliper slightly bigger than the NSX calipers

(9:12 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: there are 2 knuckles you can use. Thats all. all the NSX, Legend, all that big brake **** goes ONLY onto the knuckle that the EX and Si have. if you have a LX, like me, you need the EX knuckles, which you have to switch. im in the process of that right now, and its gonna be a bitch




Redline96LX felt like he needed to educate me so here is his knowledge about braking. Thanks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rodney &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and make sure the drums are properly adjusted and you will be fine. </TD></TR></TABLE>
this is KEY to have a properly working drum/disc setup.

Restores pedal travel and feel- the fronts aren't applied until rear overcome return spring pressure. So slight drag on the rear drums is a must

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dchan86 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
(9:10 PM 4/3/2005) Redline96LX: if this is STILL not enough stopping power, use that bracket and get some NSX calipers, twin pot</TD></TR></TABLE>

nsx calipers will not give you better braking, just improved feel.

 

personally I say get some SS braided brakes lines (ofr the front only if you keep your rear drums) and a bigger master cylinder.

You will feel abig difference...

 

IMO, get like many people have stated, better front rotors, pads, and stainless steel brake lines, thats more than enough for daily driving with a little extra stopping power.

 

Bleed your brakes!!i did it on mine and i got 100% better performance, especially if you have older car.

 

I can't believe no one said anythign about tires.

Some good tires, pads and maybe a caliper upgrade would be a good improvement over stock.