I was intrested in finding out what front suspension parts gardella was running on his civic I know it was mcPherson strut but I am looking at parts from which cars,

Pics would be great too if any one has some,

 

I "think" he is running the extreme fab setup.. we have that setup on our car, if you still need em i could get pics on here for you..

 

I made the parts he's been running along with many of the other parts on the car including the xtrac shifter assembly
Bob Kasper
Kasper Fabrication & Machine
609-851-2810

 

if you want the same stuff that gary ran, kenny ran, and i am currently working on contact bob, he can fab it up 4 you, its the best stuff out there to date, lowest 60 ft and yes some parts are GM

 

which gm's? or cadillacs?

 

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both

 

okay do they redrill them for 4 lug and what knuckle and strut? from what car I am looking to make all of it myself and save money unless someone can sell it to cheap enough.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1135157



i belive they run it with the factory spindle as well.

TONY1 will set you in the right direction.


Modified by Dturbocivic at 9:01 PM 3/27/2005

 

check out John from RPI RACING'S pics


HERE

 

ok. i went to the u-pull-it junkyard today, and picked up the aluminum spindles/hubs/brakes. the spindles themselves are much lighter than the chromoly hub housing that i have. the bolt pattern on them seems to be a 5x 4.5. also the hub wont accept a 31 spline axle. what kinda hubs are people using? i will take a few pics and get them up in a bit.

 

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lol...Harry's U-Heist-It?

 

Minh, I'm pretty sure Gary wasn't running Extreme on his car like you, Kenny, Scott, etc., etc. but I could be wrong...

 

Gary's car did not have the Extreme struts. It appears to be very similar to Pontiac Grand-Am spindles. Those pictures of a front hub/ bearing assembly look an awful lot like s-10 4x4 front hubs.

 

they arent gm 4x4, the spline is differant.

same general design though......

 

whos running the G-Force????

 

The front spindle on my car is from a '98 Pontiac Grand Prix. However, that is only part of the puzzle... it still requires a custom hub assembly to be made for it, so that you can make it work with your axles. Also, it requres the use of a short front strut, like the setup there from Strange Engineering. Also, it needs a custom bracket to go between the strut and the spindle.

The front brake/hub setup that i am using is from Mark Williams. I designed and made the strut-to-spindle bracket i am using. Mark Williams already has the setup figured out, and it is practically a 'shelf part' from them... they still have to make it when you order, but they know how to configure the whole setup.

I'll snap some current pics of my setup tomorrow when i have my camera

 

John @ RPI

i just wanted to thank you for the bit of help you've given me over the phone Truly a nice guy. i cant wait to meet you and see the car in person. i need to take a few lessons off of you.


ps. the project formula gheenoe is awsome. just spent the last hour or so reading all about it. nice write up

 

Hey, no problem man... it was good talking to you Good luck with your setup... been waiting for a long time to see it go.. lol You still have the hatch chassis, right?


Yea, that Gheenoe project was a really fun one... hehe. Thanks for taking the time to read about it. A few little tweeks, and that thing'll boogy big time.. hehe. Nothin finer than an 80hp(ish) Jet Ski powered Canoe to start off the morning

 

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Yea, that Gheenoe project was a really fun one... hehe. Thanks for taking the time to read about it. A few little tweeks, and that thing'll boogy big time.. hehe. Nothin finer than an 80hp(ish) Jet Ski powered Canoe to start off the morning </TD></TR></TABLE>


lol. im bringin on the thread hyjack. lol

the hatch i still have, i really want to run it, but i honestly dont have money for it.(wanna buy it?)
the coupe is most likely gonna be running by Englishtown, if all goes well.

i was amazed after i had spoken with you on the tele. your word choice/sentences/kindness and everything..had an answer for everything.. i was truely amazed. you sir are way too smart, and you know what u are after. (reason why i need some lessons from you)

the gheenoe was a great writeup, everyone should read. the k&n prolly gave it a few more hp (the final picture was awsome)

 

Hey Dave... thanks man... i'm just tryin to help out when and where i can. If you ever need to talk or ask any questions, just give me a call. I'll be glad to help. I can't wait to se that coupe run... sucks that your hatch doesn't look like it'll get run... that thing is beautiful. Hopefully it'll wind up in a good home

By the way, that final pic in the Gheenoe was at like less than 1/4 throttle, with it already planing out, and probably going about 20-25.... not bad for using barely any throttle... hehe. I can't wait to open it up all the way

Here are the pics of my hub assembly from Mark Williams... For those of you looking into this suspension setup, keep in mind that it isn't cheap necessarily... but its a lot less expensive than that 'extreme fab' setup, and you wind up with a much better setup in the end (IMO anyway). If anyone is serious about doing this setup, contact either Tony1, or i'll be willing to help you get set up with it as well. There is custom fab work that has to be done though... lower control arm and the spindle-to-strut mount are custom pieces.

One alternative to this setup would be to use an OEM upright, and have the top of it milled so that it will accept a bracket like what is on the bottom of the strut pictured here... that is what Tony did with the Sindicate all motor car... it looks like it'd also be a pretty nice setup for those who do not want to go the route of spending a lot of $$$ on the Mark Williams stuff, but still want to convert to this type of suspension and use the original axles instead of the MW axle setup....

 

those are some really nice suspension pieces

do you have any shots of the pieces all apart? brake calipers?
from what i can see, it looks like the "center" section of a weld wheel that is bolted onto your hub? is this correct?

thanks John. that car is gonna be a killer beast.

 

Dave, i don't have pics of the calipers, and my camera is gone for pretty much the rest of the day... lol. But they are 4 piston calipers made by Mark Williams.. I'm not sure if they are made by someone else and then sold as MWs though, but they have the MW logo cast on the side of them.

That wheel is the center section to the set of custom wheels i had made by a company called 'HoleShot Racing Wheels' here in central florida. Really really nice wheels.

I'm not wanting to hijack this guys thread much, LoL... but the car should be nice... i'm just hoping that it'll be fairly competitive. i'm not going to hype it up and say it'll be running 7's or anything, nor will i start calling cars out or anything.. LoL. i'm just going to go out there and see what it'll do. If it can run sorta with the GM cars, then cool... but it'll probably be a while before that ever happens... i'm going after consistancy, not trying to break records (and parts) on the first pass Gotta go 10's before 9's, and 9's before 8's... and so on.

 

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Anyone have any pics of this type of set-up?

 

There is an article on Gary at UrbanRacer.com. Its a question answer type article with photos. Very interesting.

http://www.urbanracer.com/arti...1&z=6

 

the stock hub assembly of the grand prix is actually the same spline as the dss stage 6 axles... hence eliminating the need to go with the mark williams setup... theres still stuff that has to be made but its also another option...