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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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I have had cars with cut springs, and I know of plenty of cars with cut springs... everytime something of the such is mentioned on here people flip out like its the worst thing in the world and it can lead to "suspension failure".

I have personally never seen anything bad happen as a result of cut springs. Can someone please give examples of problems that were from cut springs?

Also, I dont want to hear things like your ride quality will be horrible. That is simply false. That I know from experience in several cars.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:13 PM
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so wheres the tech? try a search im sure there are millions of threads about this.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:17 PM
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I have searched thanks.

And I cannot find any REAL stories that result from cut springs... just people saying "wow your car will handle like crap and its really bad for your car, blah blah blah"
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:29 PM
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I honestly have heard nothing about cut springs... only hear say about the handling. My friend had cut springs before and they weren't bad.... they were mounted on Konis. I have heard though if you heat springs that they lose tensile strength and a few people have cracked them when cornering really really hard.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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I had p.o.s. cut neuspeeds on my hatch, when i did my b16 swap, it made my axles click, then i switched the springs to some skunk2 coilovers fixed the clicking! plus the cut springs kept bottoming out my car.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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When i was in high school shop class, we did the welding torch drop on a guys car. When he drove his car, it looked like he had hydros.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:22 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dunkd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have had cars with cut springs, and I know of plenty of cars with cut springs... everytime something of the such is mentioned on here people flip out like its the worst thing in the world and it can lead to "suspension failure".

I have personally never seen anything bad happen as a result of cut springs. Can someone please give examples of problems that were from cut springs?

Also, I dont want to hear things like your ride quality will be horrible. That is simply false. That I know from experience in several cars.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My first Honda, 1988 CRX, when I cut my springs to have that lowered look, I bottomed out a lot and the ride quality was horrible. I remember bouncing a lot on the freeway and my shocks wearing out fast. Also my alignment & camber were always off. Had I know then what I know now about suspensions, I would've saved for at least some performance springs.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AnDThEnWuT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had p.o.s. cut neuspeeds on my hatch, when i did my b16 swap, it made my axles click, then i switched the springs to some skunk2 coilovers fixed the clicking! plus the cut springs kept bottoming out my car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your axles were probably clicking b/c of the height of your car. not cut springs

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16aDasher &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">When i was in high school shop class, we did the welding torch drop on a guys car. When he drove his car, it looked like he had hydros. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yah true choppers use grinders

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DELSOLEMITE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also my alignment & camber were always off. </TD></TR></TABLE>

has nothing to do with cut springs, any car that is lowered would have adjusted camber and caster.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:31 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dunkd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
has nothing to do with cut springs, any car that is lowered would have adjusted camber and caster.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It does when your car is bouncing around out of control and you hit pot holes n stuff...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:34 PM
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yah im talking about cars that are cut at a reasonable height. Ofcourse if you do anything that makes your car SLAMMMMED with just springs it will ride like ****.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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your rite about how far to go with cutting em. the front end of my car was dunked, and the rear was left alone. But i got the coilovers to correct the height.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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when i had my car on cut springs it was dumped and went cruising in SF hit a pothole and put a hole on my oilpan. Same thing with my friends DA while driving to Sacramento raceway, hit a pothole ended up with hole on oilpan. Also you look like those bobbleheads when riding inside with cut springs you could always tell when a car has cut springs. To this day i still see plenty of cars that have those. Like on of the replies said they look like they got hydraulics.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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the reason cars bounce so harshly when the springs are cut really low is usually because your strut travel is reduced and now the car is literally riding on the bumpstops and not the springs. if you shorten the length of the bumpstops to compensate for this strut travel reduction you will feel a nice smooth ride.
i have cut stock springs and lowering springs on lots and lots of cars including my own and '00 and earlier hondas take the lowering the best. cars you cant really do it on are ones with a macpherson strut set up because the springs are usually tapered and once you cut them they wont sit in their perch corectly.
i dont heat springs up to lower cars because i dont really believe in making all the coils come closer together. to me that sounds like a harsh/noisy ride if the coils are close and or touching.
paintballs your right about axles clicking because of height. if your cv joint is worn at a particular angle then it will make noise when it is at that ride height.
if you want to argue that cut springs make the car handle bad and cause "suspention failure" (whatever that means) ill give you a free ride in either of my two slammed hondas in my driveway and maybe ill change your mind.

and no i dont think my cars are circuit track worthy. i would never race a car with cut springs, but as far as whipping around the back roads id recomend them to anyone.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatchi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">when i had my car on cut springs it was dumped and went cruising in SF hit a pothole and put a hole on my oilpan. Same thing with my friends DA while driving to Sacramento raceway, hit a pothole ended up with hole on oilpan. Also you look like those bobbleheads when riding inside with cut springs you could always tell when a car has cut springs. To this day i still see plenty of cars that have those. Like on of the replies said they look like they got hydraulics. </TD></TR></TABLE>

any lowered car can hit a pothole and poke an oil pan.

i have seen several different setups that were not cut springs that bounce like that... not all cut springs will ride bouncy...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 06:56 PM
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well im glad u had a good experience in a car with cut springs..

ive only been in a car with cut springs once... and that was the most uncomfortable feeling in a car ever... ive been in roller coasters more comfortable than that

as far as suspension troubles.. i dont have any personal experience with that
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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I have cut springs on several cars, and if doing so at a reasonable height, makes for a better ride than most cheap springs and coilover kits. A good friend of mine is almost tucking GSR wheels on his 94 4 door Civic with stock GSR shocks and cut GSR springs. The car actually rides very well. The handling is increased with the lower center of gravity, but it's not a performance setup by any means.

I cut the springs on my 91 4 door daily driver. It rides perfectly fine!! It looks better than stock height, and for driving around town and freeway driving, I can't complain at all. Simply put....do it for LOOKS only, not performance by any means.



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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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sick EF
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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yea my buddy has cut springs on his 240 and they actually ride pretty good..except on a bump or something thats when it hurts. Harsh actually but then it gets smooth again rather quickly and dosent bounce ten minutes afterwards..
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:16 PM
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the suspention set ups im running with cut springs now are on a 95 civic 4dr with stock struts, gsr rear sway bar, front bar on top of the subframe ,and upper strut tower bar,ebay rear tie bar. also a 94 accord ex w/cut dropzone lowering springs.

btw. that EF 4dr is lookin cleaaaan!
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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I have cutted springs for like 2 years, they are not bad at all. The handling its good but should be better with a set of race springs.
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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i never had cut springs on my cars,i usually heat my springs..it's a pretty good ride
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spugen_y0 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> they actually ride pretty good..except on a bump or something thats when it hurts. Harsh actually but then it gets smooth again rather quickly and dosent bounce ten minutes afterwards..
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Same. Here's my experience with cut springs:

When I had an old '88 Accord, I dropped it on H&R Sports with stock shocks. It looked good, but I wanted it a little lower, so I went back to the shop to ask if they would cut two coils off. At first, the guy was like, "Uh, we recommend lowering springs, not cutting your springs. " I told him I had his shop install lowering springs but just wanted a little bit more of a drop, so he finally agreed. I had to sign a waiver that wouldn't hold them responsible for any subsequent suspension damage and that I knew they already advised me not to cut them. BTW, the shop was Autobahn Performance in south Sac because I'm gansta like that.

So anyway, the tech cut two coils off the front and 1.5 off the rear. Looked great. Lots of negative camber but I also had them do a four-wheel alignment, so tire wear was okay. The ride was, honestly, pretty decent. There were a few stretches of road I had to take everyday that were rough, and the car did ride bumpy. However, it wasn't like what everyone says where you'll be a bobble head doll and bounce continuously and non-stop, etc. It was definitely bouncier than just a normal drop with uncut springs, but once the road smoothed out again everything was fine.

Would I do it again? No. At the time, I was like 16 and just wanted my car to be dropped--as Malcolm X might say--by any means necessary. But this was my personal and firsthand experience on a car that I didn't just ride in as a passenger but drove everyday until it was totalled in an accident. Of course, other experiences will differ based on the chassis, what type of spring was cut, how many coils were cut, and what not.


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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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ok well mines are not cutted mine is heated up.

Im riding kinda low, and my car bounces alot, but i love how it looks bouncy around!!! jaja call me ricer i dont care.

second i have a gsr swap i have hitted curbs strong ive also gone to the track and ive never broken an axle ( like many h22 powered guys with aftermarket coilover systems) but im not saying that heated is better, no im just saying that i only spent 20 bucks in lowering it looks good, and have not broken anything.

maybe some omnipowers will come in the future for a performance setup not for looks








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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:43 PM
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i noe 2 cars wit cut springs..a crx and a old skool beamer...the cut springs on the crx always has camber problems and the only way to fix that is to get a new suspension system..i tried to align it once but couldnt do anything but correct the toe...now the beamer...my friends car is sooo bad that if you put it on a lift and lift all 4 tires off the ground, 2 of the springs on the back would just fall off wihtout anyone touching it...now that is reallly bad...if my friend was to hitt a pot hole that was deep enough the spring would actually fall off...
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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i noe 2 cars wit cut springs..a crx and a old skool beamer...the cut springs on the crx always has camber problems and the only way to fix that is to get a new suspension system..</TD></TR></TABLE>

no, a camber kit is needed- wether you have cut springs or aftermarket camber will be there.
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