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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 04:49 AM
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Doing a B20 (internal oil feed) with ITR head, will a ITR head gasket fit? I have a B20 head gasket but there is no hole for the oil feed.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 05:02 AM
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Oh and i know the bores are smaller on the ITR but this isn't an issue because my B20 has 85mm bores and the ITR gasket will be bored to suit this. I just need to know whether all the other holes in the gasket are in the same places as the B20.
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 06:28 PM
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damn, man your all messed up, i dont even know where to start? internal oil line feed????? and how is it 85mm is it sleeved, and you would have to buy a 85 mm headgasket, and for what motor i dont know cuz im still confused on the internal oil line feed thing?
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Old Mar 13, 2005 | 11:53 PM
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Ok, well you know with B20-vtec, you have to block the vtec oil hole in the vtec head because the B20 block doesn't have it and run an external oil line from the back of the block to the head. Well mine is all done internally so in other words the B20 block that i have has the hole for the oil feed just like B16 and B18. Don't worry about the 85mm, i just need to know if B18 and B20 gaskets are the same, as in all other holes are in the same place.

My setup - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1139225
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Old Mar 14, 2005 | 08:07 PM
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other then the size of the bore the ls and crv headgasket are the same, just the cyclinder bores should be the different sizes.
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:00 AM
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Why are you telling me that LS and CRV are same? Does the LS have B18 vtec?
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Old Mar 16, 2005 | 08:28 PM
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[ Does the LS have B18 vtec?[/QUOTE]

what do you mean by this?
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:18 AM
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What engine does the LS come with?
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:21 AM
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LS is B18 non-vtec. Some people make them v-tec, but you need a gsr or b16 head. Same thing you are doing, but you have larger displacement bottom end.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:36 AM
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But i have am using a ITR head and i have a ITR gasket. I have matched this up with a B20 gasket and the holes are not the same.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:47 AM
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we could just let him figure this out himself and screw it up himself... that way he has noone to blame but himself... he seams to ask questions that he thinks he knows the answers to, because what ever anyone else says on here, we are all wrong... just my $0.02 .
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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1. I posted this a few days ago.
2. In the mean time i got a ITR gasket to match the B20 gasket and it is not the same!
3. I will post pics tomorrow.
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Old Mar 17, 2005 | 11:38 PM
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u have to use the headgasket for whatever bottom end you are using, ls, then you use and ls, crv, then you get one for a crv, and if u had a type r bottom you would use any vtec one. hope this clears things up?
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 07:25 AM
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Yeh thanks. I will post pics of my problem.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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Here are the pics -

This first one shows ITR gasket at top and B20 gasket at bottom. Note how the holes are different sizes in some cases and in other cases are different shapes.
The main concern is the hole in the top left corner (vtec oil feed) that is present on the ITR one but not on the B20. What i need is a B20 gasket with this hole because the B20 block is modified with this hole. If you guys are saying the ITR one will fit then i will try it but just don't wanna have to turn the engine and have oil splurting all over the place again, you know.


This second one shows ITR gasket stacked on top of the B20. Not the discrepencies in the holes.


This third one shows B20 stacked on top of ITR.


Here is my B20 block. Note how the top left corner is the same as the ITR gasket - with two holes.


Not too sure whether whether the differences shown between the two gaskets will impact on whether the ITR gasket will fit the my B20 block or not.
Thanks.
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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are you serious? every single lsvtec swap guide tells you specifically to use an ls headgasket. but since you have a b20 get a b20 one..geez
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Old Mar 18, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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OT: Hey redsun, is that cashern in your avatar, cuz it sorta looks like it...
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 02:17 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but since you have a b20 get a b20 one..geez</TD></TR></TABLE>

How many times do i have to stress this - B20 head gasket <U>does not</U> work for me. I have a B20 head gasket, i have bolted the head on with it and it <U>does not</U> work. It throws oil every where!! The reason being that my B20 block is modified with the vtec oil feed hole that mates the vtec oil feed hole in the Vtec head. Check my last pic. You can see this hole in the top left corner.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 05:15 AM
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The gasket GE sells for their ls/vtec is a vtec gasket.Get in touch with them,they sell big bore oen vtec head gaskets.The other option is Cometic.They also sell their own big bore vtec gaskets.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 01:59 PM
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listen man, there is no such thing as a internal oil feed line on a b20 or an ls only on a gsr or typer, or b16 block. so there fore if your using a b20 headgasket and it doesnt fit or work then you obviously dont have a b20 block cuz if you did it would work. listen man, if you knew what you had already then the problem would be solved already, there are too many excellent honda know it alls on this site for u to still be suffering from this insignificant problem. please make sure what you got is the right **** and then go and do a lot of reading plenty of threads to choose from. good luck!
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 07:34 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Redsun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How many times do i have to stress this - B20 head gasket <U>does not</U> work for me. The reason being that my B20 block is modified with the vtec oil feed hole that mates the vtec oil feed hole in the Vtec head. Check my last pic. You can see this hole in the top left corner.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He says the block has been modified to have *internal* oil feed.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NJIN BUILDR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

He says the block has been modified to have *internal* oil feed.</TD></TR></TABLE>


*yeah right!*
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 08:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Redsun &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Here is my B20 block. Note how the top left corner is the same as the ITR gasket - with two holes.
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There it is.
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Old Mar 19, 2005 | 11:52 PM
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so then get a cometic gsr/typer headgasket specific for a type r or gsr that has been bored to 84 that the size of a crv and it would have the oil hole for the factory gsr oil feed to the head.
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Old Mar 21, 2005 | 07:59 AM
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Thanks to all who helped. Emailed cometic - part number C4182-060.
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