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That number seems so low for all the mods. It adds about 16 horsepower over an I/H/E B16A. Not that its necessarily bad. Was just expecting more with Stage 3 cams, the compression to backup those cams, an AEBS IM and tuning. But then again, maybe I expect too much.

 

There's no way that's that high of a compression ratio.

And if so, those big cams are too big. I made 164whp on Skunk2 Stage 1's.

Those numbers do seem a good bit low.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by drobinson &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's no way that's that high of a compression ratio.

And if so, those big cams are too big. I made 164whp on Skunk2 Stage 1's.

Those numbers do seem a good bit low.</TD></TR></TABLE>
did u make it on a dyno jet?

we dyno sk2 stage 1 and made only 151whp with cam gear adjustment +tuning on stock compression
with 11.8-1 we made 156whp with cam gear adjustment and tuning

and all stock we dyno 135whp(all stock b16)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FairlightRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That number seems so low for all the mods. It adds about 16 horsepower over an I/H/E B16A. Not that its necessarily bad. Was just expecting more with Stage 3 cams, the compression to backup those cams, an AEBS IM and tuning. But then again, maybe I expect too much.</TD></TR></TABLE>

modes added 27whp from stock which dyno 135whp
i expected about 175 but i guess i expected too much too

but it makes power to 88k rpm!

 

Most stock b16's dyno 138-140 on my dynojet I use.. So I think those #'s are great for those cams.. Considering everyone says there way to big for a b16..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most stock b16's dyno 138-140 on my dynojet I use.. So I think those #'s are great for those cams.. Considering everyone says there way to big for a b16..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I Agree

 

Depending what setup you are running, everyone will have a different out come.
I had a stock block and head B16 with H/I/E and ITR intake manifold with GSR cams and made 161whp and 117tq on a dyno jet. I then upgraded to Toda Bs and
made 175whp with 121tq. All this still using the stock untouched Bottomend.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most stock b16's dyno 138-140 on my dynojet I use.. So I think those #'s are great for those cams.. Considering everyone says there way to big for a b16..</TD></TR></TABLE>

there u have it
if t-bone agrees then thats that!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by regamaster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Depending what setup you are running, everyone will have a different out come.
I had a stock block and head B16 with H/I/E and ITR intake manifold with GSR cams and made 161whp and 117tq on a dyno jet. I then upgraded to Toda Bs and
made 175whp with 121tq. All this still using the stock untouched Bottomend.
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man from all the testing we have done
there is now way u can get 161 with gsr cams

do u have dyno charts to prove it?

 

"do u have dyno charts to prove it?"
as a matter of fact it was 170 with gsr cams =P

the base run is gsr cams
the 2nd run is with buddy club 3's
b16a

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2k.civic.si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"do u have dyno charts to prove it?"
as a matter of fact it was 170 with gsr cams =P

the base run is gsr cams
the 2nd run is with buddy club 3's
b16a

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thats a dyno pack rite?

 

No thats a dynojet plot.. And if it was a dynojet it doesnt mean it would read higher like most think(unless it Churches..lol).. If the dynojet is setup properly like the one at Evans tunning it will read almost exactly the same as a dynojet..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No thats a dynojet plot.. And if it was a dynojet it doesnt mean it would read higher like most think(unless it Churches..lol).. If the dynojet is setup properly like the one at Evans tunning it will read almost exactly the same as a dynojet..</TD></TR></TABLE>
dam those r some high as numbers compare to what we tested!

i guess to compare we would need to know around what whp a stock b16 and gsr makes at that dyno

@methodmotor works in fresno
a stock b16 makes around 135whp and a gsr makes about 141whp

 

As a matter of fact I do have the dyno sheet of it too. I will need to look for it and scan it in. It was actually tuned Motec Nate and Roger when Nathan was working at AEBS. I have seen a few B16s put down 160-170whp on a dynojet with GSR cams. At least someone else here can say they have made the same power with the same came.

 

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dam those r some high as numbers compare to what we tested!

i guess to compare we would need to know around what whp a stock b16 and gsr makes at that dyno

@methodmotor works in fresno
a stock b16 makes around 135whp and a gsr makes about 141whp</TD></TR></TABLE>

whats the purpose of comparing what b16 and gsr make? that dyno chart i posted is a b16a....

 

Most B16s that I have seen dynoed make around 140s stock. As for GSR between 150-160whp. Most fall in the 150-155 range.

Have you done a leak down on that motor?

 

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whats the purpose of comparing what b16 and gsr make? that dyno chart i posted is a b16a....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because if Stock b16s make 135 on his dyno and his car make 165 now you get a good idea of how much gain is made..
If you guys say you make 160 with stage 1 cams on your dyno it means nothing because there nothing to base yous off of(for the readers, you obviously know).. For all the readers know your dyno might base b16's at 155 and you only picked up 5 whp where he picked up 30...
So if he knew what your b16's and gsr avereged he could get an idea on what kinda power you guys have gained....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Because if Stock b16s make 135 on his dyno and his car make 165 now you get a good idea of how much gain is made..
If you guys say you make 160 with stage 1 cams on your dyno it means nothing because there nothing to base yous off of(for the readers, you obviously know).. For all the readers know your dyno might base b16's at 155 and you only picked up 5 whp where he picked up 30...
So if he knew what your b16's and gsr avereged he could get an idea on what kinda power you guys have gained....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct. We gained a total of 18whp with all the bolt-ons and changing the intake manifold and cams. All that really matters is that you have a base and you know what you have actually gained (or lost) in anything you do to the motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2k.civic.si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"do u have dyno charts to prove it?"
as a matter of fact it was 170 with gsr cams =P

the base run is gsr cams
the 2nd run is with buddy club 3's
b16a
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those are some high torque numbers 4 a b16 that looks like a gsr to me

 

and to the guy that started this post how did u raise the compression to 11.8

 

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those are some high torque numbers 4 a b16 that looks like a gsr to me</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope b16... here is another b16 dyno


just strong motors

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by street dreams &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and to the guy that started this post how did u raise the compression to 11.8 </TD></TR></TABLE>

would like to know also....2layer gasket only takes it to 10.4:1...with some extreme head milling you might be able to hit 11.0:1 but 11.8:1?&gt;?
and still have the piston to valve clearance to run those skunk stg3's....i call bs

 

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nope b16... here is another b16 dyno


just strong motors</TD></TR></TABLE>

No way thats a stock stroke and bore B16.

 

Why are people saying that stock b16 make around 135-140 when I dynoed mine it was 151 hp with out any tuning just rolled out with a couple friends to Rage.For a few pulls on a Completely bone stock motor Hmmmmmm I guess its all in the motor