I expect some jokers to jump on this, but what the heck.

Terry - Z28 - showed me how to do this at VIR in Dec. but I can't for the life of me remember exactly what I did - I know that I went through turn 2 much faster, but can anyone give a good description of a good scenario to use the rimshot and how to do it?
Thx

 

Okay, I give up. What is this? I would guess it is a local variation or lingo, like my friend Steve's "use the 'mogul' in turn 5" (at the end of the "straight" on the back side of Seattle Int'l Raceway). You did say "rimSHOT", right? Sorry - badump, chshh.

Kirk

 

If you are talking about Terry Eskind (black T2 Camaro) and "No Name", my guess is that he was suggesting that you try to follow the path of the road (keep it track center) as opposed to the "line" that would take you track-left to clip the apex curbing. I've always interpreted the term as keeping the car to the outside (riding the rim).

 

My definition of rimshot is taking a double apex turn as a single apex by riding around the outside of the turn before turning in. Kind of a bad description, but for those who know Roebling Road, 5a-b is often shown to the newbies as a single apex rimshot turn. Not as fast, but much safer then the double apex method.

5a-b is the second dip on the map.

 

Thanks for the laugh- badump, chshh!

Rice, phat-s, svt_cobra - you know what I'm talking about...
Rather than braking down to totally reasonable speed for a turn, I think you touch the brakes to bring the back end into rotation a bit, then get on the throttle through the turn... Can't really remember exactly how to do it - just remember it was a much faster way through the turn-
VIR - Virginia Int'l Raceway... http://www.virclub.com

 

what the hell? were we just in some time rewind thing?

 

Now that makes sense...
I guess it's faster because you can carry more speed in a wider arc turn, even though you're not clipping the apex as you would traditionally. Terry (yes, Eskind - thanks, forgot his last name) had me do that once or twice at "No Name"

Looks like we're writing at the same time as each other. Didn't see your post...


[Modified by nc-rsx-s, 10:40 PM 1/21/2002]

 

Thanks Spiff-
Your definition matches with what phat-s says. Rather than hit the apex on the first part (5a) and track out, then pinch back into apex 5b, you "ride the outside rim" of 5a so you can apex 5b and carry more speed to the short straight.

 

I *think* his point there is (along the lines of Zsolt's point) that if you look at the turn from the top, you have a light left then a hard braking left. If you look at the angle you enter Nascar Bend approaching from track center vs. approaching from track left, you have a faster entry into NB (car is positioned better). You can't take NN/NB with a single steering input (a la the RR example) but it might be a better entry into NB.

 

Turn 3 a vir comes to mind.. I think Diane used this term for me.. Instead of drawing a straighline from "no name" to the turn in of 3, I would follow the slight bend around the outside of the corner, then turn in, actually decreasing the radias of the corner..

I found that I had more speed actually through 3, but less speed on the straight from 2-3.. But I have more speed from 3-4..
Karl and I were talking about this at VIR in Dec, about which way was faster.. I think the "straightline" theory is actually faster throughout the whole 2-4 section, because I am maximizing the speed on the longer straight...

I would like to hear other people's opinion of this..

 

I donno VIR ... but for the sake of definition, if some1 told me to "rimshot" some turn, I would think they meant ride the outside as much as you can, then turn in. Much like a carousel.


[Modified by SPiFF, 10:54 PM 1/21/2002]

 

yes, more or less...

 

I did ride with Terry a couple of times a year ago at VIR and we followed each other through the Turn 2-Turn 3 combination at VIR.. Terry was using the Rimshot term to define a line that basically meant staying track center until nearing the turn-in cone at turn 3.. at this point he went out a little farther towards the cone, to allow for a much lower angle apex through turn 3.. Therfore you don't have to follow a wide outside line all the way from turn 2 to turn 3, but stay track center instead, until your almost to the turn in cone, then go way out, almost to the cone, and then cut in.. that's what he was calling the rimshot. Hoped this helped. Remember, the racing line there is to come all the way into the apex at Turn 2(or 3..first gators on the left) and touch the gators, then draw a straight line to the turn in cone on the far right. Another way is to stay far to the right and sweep by the turn in cone.. Well, the rimshot is somewhere in between... stay center track then drift out and touch the turn in cone and be aimed up for the following apex... in other words, drift out, tap the rim and turn in. questions?

 

Yes! That is exactly what Terry had me doing. I just needed to read it in black n white. Thanks for the clarification of what he was calling a "rimshot" for that corner.

 

Uh you just made me realize how non-understandable my last statment was (well, most of them are like that) - " . . . enter Nascar Bend approaching from track center vs. approaching from track left . . . " should read approaching Nascar Bend's turn-in NOT enter Nascar Bend.

 

no problem guys.. glad we could come to an agreement, and glad you could understand my babbling.

 

Sorry.....I'm still trying to figure this out. General rule of thumb is to stay away from the curbing at the 5a and 5b section. Especially at 5a since there's a big cliff with big trees on the right.

 

I think the rimshot technique can also be applies to a rim job as well..
it may be more beneficial to only have to single apex than to have to double apex....