Eventually B series are gonna disappear and eventually people are gonna have to switch.....But do you think that the K's are overrated?

 

Most Honda motors are good. From single cam screamers to K series madness. It all depends on your budget, time, ease to work on etc etc. For the time the K series it has been out, I think it's looking good so far. As motors evolve so does the industry. Here's something interesting: https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1162191

 

definitely not overRated.... i think they get the attention they are deserving

 

In ALL MOTOR, there is no question about it. K is superior like a porterhouse steak compared to a big mac.

Honda replaced what used to be the best with the best.

In FI setups, K has a way to go but I am sure it will do well there as well.

Simple reasons why K is better.

People that used to run 13a with C5s, are now running 12s with type s motors.

Hondata K pro and the k series ecu. Dataloging is great.

280-300 whp all motor Ks a reality for the regular Joe that has no more than 5K to spend on parts.

No more drilling for LS/vtecs... The k24a block will receive the type s heads without any mods.

From honda dealerships you can buy a brand new accord bare block for $400 or a complete shortblock for $1100.

There are more than half a million k24as out there today filling up the junkyards.

The non vtec k24a longblocks wil be making 200whp soon with cams.

You can make a 5 speed tranny into a 6 speed. (honda tuning article, june 2005)

Skunk2, nuimage broke 9s on k series motors.

The headers make more power because they are directed the right way.

The itbs make more power because they are getting the air the right way..

Sorry I have to go to the bathroom

Nikos

 

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Seriously? I had no idea they cost that.

 

K series is the wave of the future.
At one time people thought b series were overrated. Just like many think Hondas are overrated.

 

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Not over rated at all, just overrated, and its a shame all of the cars the k's come in are overweight! heh

 

Comparing K to B, yes K is superior.

Comparing K to H, in a full drag NA application, yes K is overrated.

K, H and F motors have all been in the mid 350 range NA.

 

K-series rocks!

 

Has anyone seen them pushing bearings out . I heard a couple people making good power are having problems. Are the bearing journals smaller than b series? If so the that could be a big prob. They may be able to get fuel and air in and out more efficiently but if they can't make 1100 -1300hp like an ecotec they suck.

 

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K series rods are .780 wide, the same width as the F23 which are prone to bearing failure. B series rods are .935 (LS/CRV) or .858 (GSR/ITR)

The journal diameter itself is the same as the prelude, 1.888 with the same width as the F23

 

One thing to remember, the Ecotec does NOT use the factory crank when producing 1200 hp. If someone were to invest enough time and $ into the K-series, I see it making as much hp as the Ecotec, no sweat. All you would need to do is order a nice Crower, Moldex, Sonny Bryant crank with the rod journal of your choice and voila, you have the same thing GM did with their motors Also, the same thing I did with my motors. I am using a Mazda I4 with Honda Prelude engine bearings ( custom Crower crank, custom aluminum rod ) obviously you will need custom rods as well..... '

and remember, this is only the bottom end we are talking about, the head is a MUCH better design than the GM motor....

 

Ok thats cool . But aren't the mains pushing out after 10 - 20 passes on a 1000+hp b series motors. Or do these poeple just not have there **** straight. I believe the mains are the same size as a chevy main journal, which can handle alot more than that. Is there a prob there or not really.

 

1000 h.p. B-series is alot. I think the K has a much better chance of survival at those hp numbers, trust me.

Also, even though the B has the same main journal size as the Chevy, the Chevy's fasteners for the main caps are far larger than the B-series but I have seen people make over 1000 on a B and not had any issues.

 

I wouldnt say they are overrated...They are making AWESOME power with stock blocks and bolt ons. Doesnt mean a B series cant beat it though Im looking forward to the k20eg at the track this year.

Chris

 

The fastener may be bulkier but as long as neither flex theres no advantage. That doesn't change the availabe surface area for oil . I'm no pro at this thats just how I see that particular statement. As far as the K s ability to withstand that power better, why. I 've seen the main halo and the block stength but is that it. I can get a halo for my B series and lets say the block can take it. I know about the head as well . I just wanna know other reasons to why the block will be stronger. Thanks

 

Everything that the K isn't, the F20C (s2000) is. Bigger crank journals, superior head flow, much better quench, much better rod ratios, on and on...

 

As stated I understand the head and diff rod ratios are avaliable for the Bs. Any hard facts.

 

I can agree, that K Series has more potential to make more power given that the fact its still in the early stages ane people are making high HP#'s.

But for drag racing its not how much HP you can make, Its how much you can put to the ground. just my $.02

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1108022
Need I say more???

 

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That may be true, but why does it seem like the s2000 doesn't respond to N/A mods very well?

 

No ones going to bring up the H motor I like the H over a K any day The K's are great motors but I would perfer a H motor hands down only beacause I like Boost

 

I agree that the F20C is about as good as it gets for Hondas 4 cylinder offerings. But as Ive stated before, compared to the B, the K is superior. The B is tapped out, it has pretty plateaued IMO. Your not going to see anything over 320WHP with a B motor and if you do, its a rarity.

Getting a B head to flow 350+ CFM requires some cutting and billet inserts. No need with the H, K and F20C heads. That is the key IMO.

H/F motors are making 350+ WHP as are the BIG K's that are out there. In terms of potential, I dont think theres a whole lot to sperate the 2. The sad thing about the H is the fact that aftermarket support has never been there. Its just now getting the attention it should have had years ago.

 

I do not belive the B is tapped out yet there is still more power left in the Bs but yes the k is gonna be superior only becuase it is a bigger motor. As far as seeing anything over 320 with a B I personnaly know of 3 Bs making a little over that. It just takes a little time. Erick ran the 9 with a hondata, stock igniton and on gas. Plus there is more to going fast than just power like Bspec18 said.