Building GSR Motor for turbo, but won't have turbo until later....
I plan to build my current GSR motor or buy a 84.5mm block with Golden EAgle Sleeves and have 10:1 Compression with forged internals. My question is can I build the motor. Drive it like that. And once I have the turbo parts accumulated bolt it all on and go for a tune and everything be good?
Awesome. I need to total up the amount of stuff so I know what to get. Get all the motor build stuff. Send the block of once I'm out of school, then get it back. Assemble, tune, ride. Then $2k later turbo @11 psi. Sounds like its going to be fun and someething for me to look forward to and rememeber while working at my great job (setting tombstones :s)
Ok, I need help choosing compnents now.
Pistons - I've heard that endyn is very very good but also Wiseco. I have delt with Wiseco in dirtbikes and ATV's before and they were good in those. I know i need forged, but whaat is stock GSR compression? I want to stay with that, so when the turbo is on there will be less lag. And while It's off I still have around the same amount of power (Except for the little HP I will get form bore and sleeve.)
Rods - I've heard Golden Eagle is the best.
Sleeves - Golden Eagle
What bearings need to be replaced? What brands are good? Also I think I should step up to a thicker headgasket. I was going to use a block guard but heard they are more trouble than help. Rings is something is I do not know about.
Bear with me while choosing internals.
Pistons - I've heard that endyn is very very good but also Wiseco. I have delt with Wiseco in dirtbikes and ATV's before and they were good in those. I know i need forged, but whaat is stock GSR compression? I want to stay with that, so when the turbo is on there will be less lag. And while It's off I still have around the same amount of power (Except for the little HP I will get form bore and sleeve.)
Rods - I've heard Golden Eagle is the best.
Sleeves - Golden Eagle
What bearings need to be replaced? What brands are good? Also I think I should step up to a thicker headgasket. I was going to use a block guard but heard they are more trouble than help. Rings is something is I do not know about.
Bear with me while choosing internals.
Pistons - Stock gsr comp ratio is 10:1
Any new piston set should include quality rings.
Quality brands include: JE, Wiseco, Arias, CP, Ross and various other custom made
privately branded ones ( ie Importbuilders, Endyn)
Rods: I don't believe GE makes rods.
Quality brands include: Crower, Probe, Eagle, Manley as well as privatley branded
ones such as Full-Race, OmniPower and Rocket Motorsports.
Sleeves: Darton, Benson, GE, and many others.
While you have the engine apart I would replace all of the bearings with ACL or OEM Honda bearings ( Rods, Mains, and Thrust bearings)
I would not worry about the headgasket -- If you are changing to a thicker headgasket, you will lower compression, something you said you wanted to avoid. If you do want to lower it, do it with your new pistons.
I really hope that helps out.
You'll have to do research to determine the brands you want to use.
Opinions are like ******** on H-T.
Any new piston set should include quality rings.
Quality brands include: JE, Wiseco, Arias, CP, Ross and various other custom made
privately branded ones ( ie Importbuilders, Endyn)
Rods: I don't believe GE makes rods.
Quality brands include: Crower, Probe, Eagle, Manley as well as privatley branded
ones such as Full-Race, OmniPower and Rocket Motorsports.
Sleeves: Darton, Benson, GE, and many others.
While you have the engine apart I would replace all of the bearings with ACL or OEM Honda bearings ( Rods, Mains, and Thrust bearings)
I would not worry about the headgasket -- If you are changing to a thicker headgasket, you will lower compression, something you said you wanted to avoid. If you do want to lower it, do it with your new pistons.
I really hope that helps out.
You'll have to do research to determine the brands you want to use.
Opinions are like ******** on H-T.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ctownintegra »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, I need help choosing compnents now.
Pistons - I've heard that endyn is very very good but also Wiseco. I have delt with Wiseco in dirtbikes and ATV's before and they were good in those. I know i need forged, but whaat is stock GSR compression? I want to stay with that, so when the turbo is on there will be less lag. And while It's off I still have around the same amount of power (Except for the little HP I will get form bore and sleeve.)
Rods - I've heard Golden Eagle is the best.
Sleeves - Golden Eagle
What bearings need to be replaced? What brands are good? Also I think I should step up to a thicker headgasket. I was going to use a block guard but heard they are more trouble than help. Rings is something is I do not know about.
Bear with me while choosing internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
cp pistons are great, and pauter rods too
im pretty sure you are referring to eagle rods
Im a big fan of earl's, so i sent my block there
Pistons - I've heard that endyn is very very good but also Wiseco. I have delt with Wiseco in dirtbikes and ATV's before and they were good in those. I know i need forged, but whaat is stock GSR compression? I want to stay with that, so when the turbo is on there will be less lag. And while It's off I still have around the same amount of power (Except for the little HP I will get form bore and sleeve.)
Rods - I've heard Golden Eagle is the best.
Sleeves - Golden Eagle
What bearings need to be replaced? What brands are good? Also I think I should step up to a thicker headgasket. I was going to use a block guard but heard they are more trouble than help. Rings is something is I do not know about.
Bear with me while choosing internals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
cp pistons are great, and pauter rods too
im pretty sure you are referring to eagle rods
Im a big fan of earl's, so i sent my block there
Yes , Eagle Rods is what I meant and I will probaly be going with JE pistons, if not then Wiseco. How much should a bore and resleeve cost with parts included? Around $900? I will replace All bearings that Madness mentioned. Also I wanted the thicker headgasket because i thought they were safer for turbo. I will just use a Cometic one stock thickness.
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So I need a est cost.
I will need:
Eagle Rods -
JE or Wiseco 10:1 Pistons (83mm or 84.5mm) -
ACL Bearings -
Cometic Headgasket -
Golden Eagle Sleeves -
Bore and Sleeve Press Job -
I will update that list as I find more stuff and prices.
I will need:
Eagle Rods -
JE or Wiseco 10:1 Pistons (83mm or 84.5mm) -
ACL Bearings -
Cometic Headgasket -
Golden Eagle Sleeves -
Bore and Sleeve Press Job -
I will update that list as I find more stuff and prices.
Rods- 250.- 400.
Pistons- 400. +/-
ACL bearings- 100$
Cometic Headgasket- 125$
Sleeves from GE- 851$
Other misc bullshit you would never think of - 1000$
Have fun, if you aren't good with detail...i'd recommend paying someone.
I am doing the same thing, now think of buying one assembled, but i want to know it was done right and best of all done by me
(ok, maybe done a little wrong too
, hopefully not!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Madness »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The reason thicker headgaskets are "safer" is because they lower your compression[/QUOTE
just cause you say its safer doesn't mean its the right way to do it
[QUOTE=ctownintegra]Yes , Eagle Rods is what I meant and I will probaly be going with JE pistons, if not then Wiseco. How much should a bore and resleeve cost with parts included? Around $900? I will replace All bearings that Madness mentioned. Also I wanted the thicker headgasket because i thought they were safer for turbo. I will just use a Cometic one stock thickness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sleeve and bore is around 1000, you will be fine using an oem gasket
just cause you say its safer doesn't mean its the right way to do it
[QUOTE=ctownintegra]Yes , Eagle Rods is what I meant and I will probaly be going with JE pistons, if not then Wiseco. How much should a bore and resleeve cost with parts included? Around $900? I will replace All bearings that Madness mentioned. Also I wanted the thicker headgasket because i thought they were safer for turbo. I will just use a Cometic one stock thickness.</TD></TR></TABLE>
sleeve and bore is around 1000, you will be fine using an oem gasket
Where would be the best place to send the block off for boring?....But now that I see that this will be 1000 just for that i may just stick with 1.8L of displacement. There isnt really a HUGE difference in power is there?
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