will a stock internal gsr with a skunk2 intake manifold handle the revs of a type r ecu?what is the gsr rev limit vs the type r?

 

why woudl you want to increase the fuel cut? Do you have cams that will make power that high? If you are using stock GSR cams you arent going to make any power past your stock redline, so it would be useless to do this. On top of that your valvetrain cant handle it.

You would need to upgrade your valve springs, retainers, intake manifold, ECU and cams in order to make this worth while.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00ekhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">will a stock internal gsr with a skunk2 intake manifold handle the revs of a type r ecu?what is the gsr rev limit vs the type r?</TD></TR></TABLE>on my old set up i used to have fully stock head... racing it with chipped ecu..i used to redline it a 9k with no problem..got a ctr intake cam and i redline that b*tch to 8500 or 8700..and it pulls hard... i didn't get any problems till i misshifted from 3rd to 2nd...got it fixed and got the fully built head package..i agree not to rev your car that high..cuz u might have a valve float or bent valves...i was just stuck in the dumb dayz... but o well i still beat a lot of foolz....

 

on a stock valve train that will cause coil bind in your valve springs, as well as the vale float and bent valves. a very bad idea, like you said. beating some guy in the car next to you isnt worth a grand or more for a new head.

 

thanks for the advise, i was scepticle myself but a friend of mine has an extra p73 ecu and i wanted to make sure. i was planning on upgrading the valve trian in the near future so i will just wait on the ITR ecu. however i find that the gsr p72 is not as effective in the mid range since my engine has the after market intake manifold and the secondery butterflies are not there as they are in the GSR manifold. .. also how effective are headers, worth the $$ ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoeB18R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a stock valve train that will cause coil bind in your valve springs, as well as the vale float and bent valves. a very bad idea, like you said. beating some guy in the car next to you isn't worth a grand or more for a new head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

coil bind is only something to be concerned with high valve lift and is no way effected by high rpms.

just trying to stop people like Joe from polluting this forum with more wrong information.

and you will see a little power from headers, they will be a good addition if you are planning on bigger cams later

 

yea ive seen first hand several GSR and SiR-2 motors spun to 8500 on stock cams with a p28 and Skunk IM. bottom line is this, people will do what they want... I dont know the back story, all I know is that I saw a kid a couple weeks back go
13.7 @ 102 in an EG with interior on a stock SiR-2 with a 16 tranny with a SRI and skunk manifold revving to 8500. as far as I know, its been dependable for him.
personally... I have had too many bad experiences with the single spring exhaust side setup because I made alot of mistakes.

my advice also: chipped ecu, IM, at least CTRs, valvesprings/retainers so you only have to do things ONCE

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rich 13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">coil bind is only something to be concerned with high valve lift and is no way effected by high rpms.

just trying to stop people like Joe from polluting this forum with more wrong information.

and you will see a little power from headers, they will be a good addition if you are planning on bigger cams later</TD></TR></TABLE>


i was talking about if he got cams that will allow him to make power that high. I said it would be pointless to spin that high if he didnt. try reading all the posts before you spout off. ******* noob troll. go post your bullshit in some one elses threads.

 

hahahahaha!!!!!!!

it is a given that you need new springs and retainers as that information awalys comes with a new cam.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rich 13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hahahahaha!!!!!!!

it is a given that you need new springs and retainers as that information awalys comes with a new cam.</TD></TR></TABLE>


shut up..

 

good one totsie.

joe was trying to say that a type r ecu would cause coil bind. hahahahahah!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rich 13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good one totsie.

joe was trying to say that a type r ecu would cause coil bind. hahahahahah!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

your a typical noob. Don't make an *** of yourself by laughing at other peoples thoughts. If he was wrong, you can say so in a mature, informative way.

Why don't you post up some proof that hes wrong anyway.

 

as previously stated, it is common sense. no matter how high you rev the engine the valve lift does not change (with the exception of vtec). and Coil bind comes from too much valve lift.

 

yes, but changing cams as Joe was saying has an effect on lift.

 

yes and for that i said it is a given as that information comes with the new cams.

and then he was trying to say that bent valves would require you to spend $1000 on a new head.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rich 13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes and for that i said it is a given as that information comes with the new cams.

and then he was trying to say that bent valves would require you to spend $1000 on a new head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahah bent valves cost 2600 or more at a dealership and 1200-1600 at any other worthy shop. So yes bent valves are costly.

you need to ship your whole head to a machine shop. Its not cheap.

 

$2600 my *** you could get a new head for cheaper then that. and people with any competence at all can assemble a head you just need access to a few tools that can be rented for free and the machine work for that is very cheap

 

For those always recommending to upgrade to ITR retainers...the GSR retainers are THE SAME as the ITR's. I've also heard the stock retainers are good up to 9500 rpm.

 

god you are an annoying little bitch. even ehen you are wrong you still stick around and argue.

 

if i am wrong please tell me how

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You would need to upgrade your valve springs, retainers, intake manifold, ECU and cams in order to make this worth while.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was referring to my initial post, but since you are too myopic to see the whole picture here I have to point it out to you.

If he gets the cams (which would make it worth while to raise the RPMs with the ECU) and he used the stock B18C1 valve train he could get coil bind.

Now kindly shut the **** up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoeB18R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">on a stock valve train that will cause coil bind in your valve springs, as well as the vale float and bent valves. a very bad idea, like you said. beating some guy in the car next to you isnt worth a grand or more for a new head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes you were refering to the original post with this, which is blatiently wrong


"waits for joe to attempt and show off his vocabulary and make him self look like more of an idiot"

 

Are you seriously that stupid? ...sorry I asked, I already know the answer.

Even after it was explained to you in plain English, you still persist in saying the round peg fits in the square hole. This is truly pathetic.

I guess some people can’t see the forest from the trees. Especially if they are trying to see things that aren’t there. That is to say, you seem to be looking for any excuse to start an e-fight.

Grow up.

[sarcasm]Please, keep taking things out of context. It’s really helping your case.[/sarcasm]

 

ok lets evaulate why joe is wrong.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoeB18R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why woudl you want to increase the fuel cut? Do you have cams that will make power that high? If you are using stock GSR cams you arent going to make any power past your stock redline, so it would be useless to do this. On top of that your valvetrain cant handle it.

You would need to upgrade your valve springs, retainers, intake manifold, ECU and cams in order to make this worth while.

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will the engine make any more power, well not really. will it make the car faster, yes it will. as you may know (apparently joe does not) a higher redline will allow you to stay in each gear longer, allowing you to use the torque multiplacation of the gears longer. this makes the car a little bit quicker. and yes going all the way to gsr redline will not help a little bit higher will help making the ecu worthwile.


and the final thing i have to add is funny, but off topic

your intake looks like a weiner



Modified by Rich 13 at 12:36 AM 2/19/2005

 

hate to break it to ya buddy, but your post made no sense either.