One reason I'd never want to race nascar
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One reason I'd never want to race nascar
Do these guys even want to live? How do you mentally prepare for a race knowing its very likely you're going to get into a huge crash.
Was just watching some speed channel and they're doing nascar coverage of the 200 mi race. 13 drivers taken to the hospital. They show one car that slid past their pit box where there are camera men not behind a wall taking out at least 5 people at what looked like maybe 45 mph or so. Its just crash after crash.
While at some point nascar can be entertaining as racing but sometimes it seems like the WWF of the racing world.
Was just watching some speed channel and they're doing nascar coverage of the 200 mi race. 13 drivers taken to the hospital. They show one car that slid past their pit box where there are camera men not behind a wall taking out at least 5 people at what looked like maybe 45 mph or so. Its just crash after crash.
While at some point nascar can be entertaining as racing but sometimes it seems like the WWF of the racing world.
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (ryan12321)
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it seems like the WWF of the racing world.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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it seems like the WWF of the racing world.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (emwavey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by emwavey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Weekend after weekend, it's always a "steel-cage grudge match" 
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LMAO. I think they'd get more ratings if they marketed that way.
And yeah I just noticed it wasn't nascar, but I get them confused since they all look the same.
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LMAO. I think they'd get more ratings if they marketed that way.
And yeah I just noticed it wasn't nascar, but I get them confused since they all look the same.
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (ryan12321)
NASCAR fans do love their crashes. It makes me wonder about the team owners. They must have huge budgets for new body panels and extra cars. I guess there's enough sponsor money in it that it probably isn't an issue.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ryan12321 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems like the WWF of the racing world.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny how it widely appeals to the same demographic.
Scott, who's still extremely pissed about FOX turning Speedvision into NASCAR central and can't believe that they actually cover pre-season test and tune sessions rather than show all of the other cool racing that's going on around the world and who has now restricted his viewing of the channel to the hours between 1am and 3am, which is when you'll catch British touring car, WRC, DTM, etc.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ryan12321 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it seems like the WWF of the racing world.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny how it widely appeals to the same demographic.
Scott, who's still extremely pissed about FOX turning Speedvision into NASCAR central and can't believe that they actually cover pre-season test and tune sessions rather than show all of the other cool racing that's going on around the world and who has now restricted his viewing of the channel to the hours between 1am and 3am, which is when you'll catch British touring car, WRC, DTM, etc.
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Please do not confuse ARCA with NASCAR. The talent pool in ARCA is very wide ranging, with a few talent young guns, some decent journeyman drivers, and the rest are hacks. Some of the cars that run out there are very shady too.
Look at it this way. Take a typical HPDE 1 lineup and throw them into Radicals, and that'll give you an idea of what ARCA is like.
As for me, I'd drop almost anything to run in Nextel Cup, and that includes virtually every other form of racing except F1 and Champ Car. The talent pool is deeper than any other series, and that stuff does not look easy at all to me. I could put up with a few million obnoxious fans, even though I'd probably make Tony Stewart look fan friendly.
Look at it this way. Take a typical HPDE 1 lineup and throw them into Radicals, and that'll give you an idea of what ARCA is like.
As for me, I'd drop almost anything to run in Nextel Cup, and that includes virtually every other form of racing except F1 and Champ Car. The talent pool is deeper than any other series, and that stuff does not look easy at all to me. I could put up with a few million obnoxious fans, even though I'd probably make Tony Stewart look fan friendly.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The talent pool is deeper than any other series, and that stuff does not look easy at all to me. I could put up with a few million obnoxious fans, even though I'd probably make Tony Stewart look fan friendly. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm not saying their talent is bad. They are some of the greatest drivers.
Its just that no matter how far I'd ever go in racing I'd value my life more than my desire to race.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I'm not saying their talent is bad. They are some of the greatest drivers.
Its just that no matter how far I'd ever go in racing I'd value my life more than my desire to race.
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Its just that no matter how far I'd ever go in racing I'd value my life more than my desire to race.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh, I agree completely. I just think that basing NASCAR's safety on an ARCA race is a bit inaccurate.
Its just that no matter how far I'd ever go in racing I'd value my life more than my desire to race.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Oh, I agree completely. I just think that basing NASCAR's safety on an ARCA race is a bit inaccurate.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Oh, I agree completely. I just think that basing NASCAR's safety on an ARCA race is a bit inaccurate.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The safety problem with the super speedways that is common to them all is called the "big one" if I'm not mistaken. It seems to happen at every 500 mile race, as well as in some of the shorter supporting races (and it doesn't look like the name of the respective series racing is enough to prevent it.)
I watched about 20 laps of that ARCA race and caught the wreck. I'm with Ryan - at the moment I simply don't think money alone would be enough to force me to run a super speedway *race* where you're bunched up with 30+ other cars doing 180 mph. I am fascinated by the current drivers who are doing it. I would honestly be too scared and a large part of it is rooted in the same feeling I have driving on a crowded 6 lane highway - a lot of it is out of your hands. You are pretty much along for the ride since it mostly depends on all the drivers around you to avoid a wreck, as opposed to the other way around, which imo is closer to what road racing is. I also just can't help to think of the huge energy potential that exists between the 3200 lbs objects traveling within very close proximity of each other at 190 mph and the stationary concrete wall that is just a few feet away. Even with the best safety and energy absorbing materials, a small part of that very large amount of kinetic energy is still a significant amount that inevitably reaches the driver. Even though a Nascar car is many times safer than a Formula 1 car it still seems that one of the super speedway races is quite a bit more dangerous than any Formula 1 race. This safety reason, together with what seems to my (nascar-uneducated) eyes as the equipment playing a much more important role instead of the driver on super speedways, are my two pet peeves about this enormously popular form of racing in the US.
Having said that, I wouldn't say no to doing some solo laps around the 2.5 mile ovals and would just love to run a nascar around the road courses! Those two events produce some of the best racing each year in any series.
Oh, I agree completely. I just think that basing NASCAR's safety on an ARCA race is a bit inaccurate.</TD></TR></TABLE>
The safety problem with the super speedways that is common to them all is called the "big one" if I'm not mistaken. It seems to happen at every 500 mile race, as well as in some of the shorter supporting races (and it doesn't look like the name of the respective series racing is enough to prevent it.)
I watched about 20 laps of that ARCA race and caught the wreck. I'm with Ryan - at the moment I simply don't think money alone would be enough to force me to run a super speedway *race* where you're bunched up with 30+ other cars doing 180 mph. I am fascinated by the current drivers who are doing it. I would honestly be too scared and a large part of it is rooted in the same feeling I have driving on a crowded 6 lane highway - a lot of it is out of your hands. You are pretty much along for the ride since it mostly depends on all the drivers around you to avoid a wreck, as opposed to the other way around, which imo is closer to what road racing is. I also just can't help to think of the huge energy potential that exists between the 3200 lbs objects traveling within very close proximity of each other at 190 mph and the stationary concrete wall that is just a few feet away. Even with the best safety and energy absorbing materials, a small part of that very large amount of kinetic energy is still a significant amount that inevitably reaches the driver. Even though a Nascar car is many times safer than a Formula 1 car it still seems that one of the super speedway races is quite a bit more dangerous than any Formula 1 race. This safety reason, together with what seems to my (nascar-uneducated) eyes as the equipment playing a much more important role instead of the driver on super speedways, are my two pet peeves about this enormously popular form of racing in the US.
Having said that, I wouldn't say no to doing some solo laps around the 2.5 mile ovals and would just love to run a nascar around the road courses! Those two events produce some of the best racing each year in any series.
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NASCAR is all about the crashes... that's why most people watch it. I remember going to watch it as a kid... a friend of my father's was on Hornaday's pit crew (back when he was a no-name), and he even told us where to sit to get the best view of the wrecks. This track would sometimes run figure-8 races and often have demolition derby's after the race. The most memorable wreck was during a NASCAR race when one car somehow got launched in the air pretty high and ended up on the giant fence protecting the bleachers. Good times if you like "low brow" entertainment... just like the FOX network.
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NASCAR is what you make of it. If you want to watch just to see the wrecks, knock yourself out. Plenty of retards do. If you only pay attention to it to bash it because it makes you feel better since 120,000 people go to the typical NASCAR race and only 120 to a SCCA event, then go ahead, have fun.
There are still plenty of people, however, who can watch NASCAR and get the same out of it as they do an F1, ALMS, SCCA, etc. race. Watching them try and keep the car from losing control for 400 miles at Darlington, going as fast as possible without overheating the brakes at Martinsville, all the strategy, etc. That isn't even getting into the setup-related aspects of it.
It isn't just a sport for morons.
NASCAR is what you make of it. If you want to watch just to see the wrecks, knock yourself out. Plenty of retards do. If you only pay attention to it to bash it because it makes you feel better since 120,000 people go to the typical NASCAR race and only 120 to a SCCA event, then go ahead, have fun.
There are still plenty of people, however, who can watch NASCAR and get the same out of it as they do an F1, ALMS, SCCA, etc. race. Watching them try and keep the car from losing control for 400 miles at Darlington, going as fast as possible without overheating the brakes at Martinsville, all the strategy, etc. That isn't even getting into the setup-related aspects of it.
It isn't just a sport for morons.
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I wish they could show the technical parts without dumbing it down for the rest of the country though. Earlier they were talking about an engine failure and made it sound like the valves just move around at different times at sometimes hit the pistons. Kinda like the insides are held together by a high strength jello that you just hope stays within clearance.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Sean O’Gorman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Watching them try and keep the car from losing control for 400 miles at Darlington</TD></TR></TABLE>
That is a lot better racing by definition imo than the super speedway races. A turn such as those on medium/short speedways that you need to brake for is a lot more dynamic than one you can take flat out. In such turn the car has the potential to reach the 100% adhesion limit during braking and in all phases of the corner and it's the driver's job to get as close as possible to it. Whereas a flat out turn can get real close, in the majority of cases it cannot be taken right at the limit of adhesion. As a result, this also means that there is usually only one fastest line through a certain turn. This is one reason why you see considerably less passing at the short and medium tracks than on the super speedways where the cars can maintain the same speed side by side all around the track. This ability to remain 2 or 3 cars wide for an entire lap is what makes drafting (as well as aerodynamics and horsepower) such an important factor in passing on the super speedways.
And since the super speedways are the most popular Nascar events (just guessing, don't know if this is true), then it directly implies that a good show (high speeds, lots of "passes", a lot of cars in close proximity of each other) attracts more attention from the mass public, than a good race would by definition (as in a contest of driving as close to the edge as possible). For the same reason that the short/medium oval races are less popular than the super speedway races, I draw a parallel as to why road racing is even less popular. There are a lot more show fans out there than race fans in the general public. Nascar's success is the ability to draw a large pool of audience from both of these types of fans, while the less visually appealing and more complex nature of road racing simply cannot.
Bottom line: if your number one priority is to make big money from some form of an entertainment sport (racing included), well it better foremost entertain! And although I would be too scared to run one, that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy watching at least the first 20 and last 20 laps of the Daytona 500.
Hmm guess that makes me a show fan.
That is a lot better racing by definition imo than the super speedway races. A turn such as those on medium/short speedways that you need to brake for is a lot more dynamic than one you can take flat out. In such turn the car has the potential to reach the 100% adhesion limit during braking and in all phases of the corner and it's the driver's job to get as close as possible to it. Whereas a flat out turn can get real close, in the majority of cases it cannot be taken right at the limit of adhesion. As a result, this also means that there is usually only one fastest line through a certain turn. This is one reason why you see considerably less passing at the short and medium tracks than on the super speedways where the cars can maintain the same speed side by side all around the track. This ability to remain 2 or 3 cars wide for an entire lap is what makes drafting (as well as aerodynamics and horsepower) such an important factor in passing on the super speedways.
And since the super speedways are the most popular Nascar events (just guessing, don't know if this is true), then it directly implies that a good show (high speeds, lots of "passes", a lot of cars in close proximity of each other) attracts more attention from the mass public, than a good race would by definition (as in a contest of driving as close to the edge as possible). For the same reason that the short/medium oval races are less popular than the super speedway races, I draw a parallel as to why road racing is even less popular. There are a lot more show fans out there than race fans in the general public. Nascar's success is the ability to draw a large pool of audience from both of these types of fans, while the less visually appealing and more complex nature of road racing simply cannot.
Bottom line: if your number one priority is to make big money from some form of an entertainment sport (racing included), well it better foremost entertain! And although I would be too scared to run one, that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy watching at least the first 20 and last 20 laps of the Daytona 500.
Hmm guess that makes me a show fan.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ryan12321 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wish they could show the technical parts without dumbing it down for the rest of the country though. Earlier they were talking about an engine failure and made it sound like the valves just move around at different times at sometimes hit the pistons. Kinda like the insides are held together by a high strength jello that you just hope stays within clearance. </TD></TR></TABLE>
well Nelly did'nt buy into an ALMS team
"weez redneck ghetto back country over hur"
When you realize what ashley simpson gets paid to sing like a wounded dog it's obviuos the reality that brought you the pet rock is still very much alive.
My take is that it's the axis of evil's plot to numb us to there impending doom.
well Nelly did'nt buy into an ALMS team
"weez redneck ghetto back country over hur"
When you realize what ashley simpson gets paid to sing like a wounded dog it's obviuos the reality that brought you the pet rock is still very much alive.
My take is that it's the axis of evil's plot to numb us to there impending doom.
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well Nelly did'nt buy into an ALMS team
"weez redneck ghetto back country over hur"
When you realize what ashley simpson gets paid to sing like a wounded dog it's obviuos the reality that brought you the pet rock is still very much alive.
My take is that it's the axis of evil's plot to numb us to there impending doom.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What language was this in??
well Nelly did'nt buy into an ALMS team
"weez redneck ghetto back country over hur"
When you realize what ashley simpson gets paid to sing like a wounded dog it's obviuos the reality that brought you the pet rock is still very much alive.
My take is that it's the axis of evil's plot to numb us to there impending doom.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What language was this in??
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What language was this in??</TD></TR></TABLE>
a language not recognized on the planet ohio apparently
What language was this in??</TD></TR></TABLE>
a language not recognized on the planet ohio apparently
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NASCAR Drivers > ARCA Drivers
If you watched the Bud Shootout you'd know why. Greg Biffle getting sideways at 188mph in the draft and not losing it, nor taking out the rest of the tightly packed group, was a sight to behold. If it was ARCA every car would have been wrecked, please don't confuse the two.
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-who would have crapped his pants if he was in the stands when that ARCA car came flying towards the catch fence with its rear wheels off the ground.
If you watched the Bud Shootout you'd know why. Greg Biffle getting sideways at 188mph in the draft and not losing it, nor taking out the rest of the tightly packed group, was a sight to behold. If it was ARCA every car would have been wrecked, please don't confuse the two.
Brian
-who would have crapped his pants if he was in the stands when that ARCA car came flying towards the catch fence with its rear wheels off the ground.
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oh here we go, another anti nascar THREAD
ARCA, the American Racing Club of America, has a different rule set, car setup, etc. than NASCAR.
Did anyone watch the Bud Shootout? 20 cars ran 70 laps within inches of each other, 3 wide at times without a wreck.
Did anyone else see that Boris Said, an unbelievable road course racer qualified 11th out of 57 drivers? Not because someone is paying him an ungodly amount of money to drive the car but because he admitly WANTS to.
I will argue with anyone who continue to bash NASCAR. it seems to me they are somewhat way more organized than any SCCA or other race series in the country.
I wish this over analyzing of NASCAR to find the one thing wrong will stop. I ******* hate F1 racing but chosse to just not watch it instead of hating on it.
ARCA, the American Racing Club of America, has a different rule set, car setup, etc. than NASCAR.
Did anyone watch the Bud Shootout? 20 cars ran 70 laps within inches of each other, 3 wide at times without a wreck.
Did anyone else see that Boris Said, an unbelievable road course racer qualified 11th out of 57 drivers? Not because someone is paying him an ungodly amount of money to drive the car but because he admitly WANTS to.
I will argue with anyone who continue to bash NASCAR. it seems to me they are somewhat way more organized than any SCCA or other race series in the country.
I wish this over analyzing of NASCAR to find the one thing wrong will stop. I ******* hate F1 racing but chosse to just not watch it instead of hating on it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbanlegend21 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I will argue with anyone who continue to bash NASCAR. </TD></TR></TABLE>why bother?
f'em.
f'em.
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (FlyZlow)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FlyZlow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NASCAR fans do love their crashes. It makes me wonder about the team owners. They must have huge budgets for new body panels and extra cars. I guess there's enough sponsor money in it that it probably isn't an issue.
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you're not kidding there's enough money in it. I was watching when Dale Jr. was on 60 minutes I think. He said they have about 15-18 cars for a season. Different cars/chassis for different tracks, backups, etc. I was amazed. And the number of engines they go thru/rebuild is probably twice that. So yeah, money isn't a problem. I can't imagine what there tire budget is like. I wouldn't be surprised if it's mid/high six figures.
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you're not kidding there's enough money in it. I was watching when Dale Jr. was on 60 minutes I think. He said they have about 15-18 cars for a season. Different cars/chassis for different tracks, backups, etc. I was amazed. And the number of engines they go thru/rebuild is probably twice that. So yeah, money isn't a problem. I can't imagine what there tire budget is like. I wouldn't be surprised if it's mid/high six figures.
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (stevel)
I don't think it is fair to fault people for speaking poorly of NASCAR considering the broadcasts and announcers. Find me a Formula 1 race that starts with Mika Hakkinen screaming "Boogety! Boogety! Boogety!"
They broadcast to the lowest common denominator, celebrate the wrecks (watch a NASCAR highlight reel and see what percentage of the "highlights" are cars slamming into each other), don't use proper racing or even driving terminlogy.... How are racers supposed to take them seriously?!?
I'll watch NASCAR from time to time if nothing else is on. For the most part, I actually feel dumber by the time the race is over. What is that great quote from Billy Madison?
They broadcast to the lowest common denominator, celebrate the wrecks (watch a NASCAR highlight reel and see what percentage of the "highlights" are cars slamming into each other), don't use proper racing or even driving terminlogy.... How are racers supposed to take them seriously?!?
I'll watch NASCAR from time to time if nothing else is on. For the most part, I actually feel dumber by the time the race is over. What is that great quote from Billy Madison?
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I award you no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.
I'd think it takes serious cojones to get into any professional motorsports. When the speeds top 200mph and the money on the line goes from thousands to millions, it's always gonna be stressful.
NASCAR wrecks don't seem to have any higher a driver death toll than F1 or what have you... we just hear about the wrecks more often because, like you said, they're all in the highlight reels right next to the heroic passes. I'd a bit sad, one thing that Speed TV could bring to NASCAR is good, solid commentary and reporting.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.
I'd think it takes serious cojones to get into any professional motorsports. When the speeds top 200mph and the money on the line goes from thousands to millions, it's always gonna be stressful.
NASCAR wrecks don't seem to have any higher a driver death toll than F1 or what have you... we just hear about the wrecks more often because, like you said, they're all in the highlight reels right next to the heroic passes. I'd a bit sad, one thing that Speed TV could bring to NASCAR is good, solid commentary and reporting.
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Re: One reason I'd never want to race nascar (AKADriver)
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No, I was referring more to the part that comes before that:
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
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I award you no points, and may God have mercy on our souls.
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No, I was referring more to the part that comes before that:
Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
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