so i heard that its impossible to heel toe in a bmw with stock pedals because of the brake and gas pedal height difference, and that the gas pedal pivots at the bottom, not at the top like our hondas.

2005 BMW 325i

true? anyone tried it?


Modified by tekstyle at 7:42 AM 2/13/2005

 

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Gawd.

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False. I do it every day on the way to work, to the store, etc. No problems here.

 

That's a really broad statement considering all of the different models that BMW has made over the years. You might want to narrow that down a little. Pedal height difference can definitely make it a pain in the *** to heel-toe. It took me a long time to get the hang of it in my 350Z. I thought maybe I was just lame, but then I'd hop in the CRX and do it all over the track w/ no problems.

Anyway, this is kind of a gay question and you'll probably get **** for it. People race BMWs all over the place and I guarantee you a good percentage of them heel-toe. No it is not impossible.

 

bmw's are the easiest pedal setup for me to heel/toe. I hate hondas as the two pedals are so far apart and not the right height to me. german cars have it just perfect. This doesn't apply to street use for heel/toe as I pretty much just use the toe/toe method since I'm not threshold braking.

 

done!! included car model. is this more clear now?

 

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my friend was told by one of his friend that races regularly at the track that for bmw, u have to change the pedal in order to heel toe properly. or get some kind of pedal cover. sorry about the GAY question.... i did however posted "stock pedals" in the original post.

 

if you cannot heel and toe with the "stock" pedals in the BMW you are going to have a really hard time with anything else...

 

i can never get it quite right in my sister's mkiv VW, the pedal ht difference is way too much, as well as the fact that they must use a 40 lb flywheel because it takes a major blip to even get the engine to speed.

it's moot in other vw's though (1.8t's and VR6's) since for some reason VW engineered the drive by wire throttle to automatically disengage when you press the brake and throttle simultaneously.

smart move VW...

 

You can adjust the height of the brake pedal in a BMW. Look where it hangs from there is a threaded shaft with jam nuts I believe they are 8 or 10mm. Thread them the "opposite" way you'd think and get your pedal height set.

db &lt;- been blippin' and selecting the lower gear in BMWs for his entire driving career. Everything from 2002s to the current M3 and everything in between

 

Its a pain to get used to. I never had problems hitting both pedals, but the E46 throttle by wire has enough delay in it that it takes a few tries to get used to the timing. I don't drive my dad's car (03 325Xit) enough to get that great of a feel for the delay, so I'm not too good at it, but its not too difficult to pull off.

 

Came from racing BMW from Honda, I think the BMWs have the easiest pedal setup to heal and toe. Due to the very long throttle pedal and the pedals are all close together. In the BMW, I use more of a roll techniques than actual heel and toe.

 

No problems here heel-toeing in a '73 2002, though they are bottom hinged rather than top hinged.

 

BMW's, at least the three different models that I've driven, are very easy to heel and toe. I have both an E30 and E46 M3 and my friend's 330 was also easy to heel and toe. My CRX has specially machined plates that my Sparco pedal covers mount to just to make heel and toeing possible.

 

The Volvo 850 I had wasn't easy, almost impossible. The slow throtle response made it even harder. The honda is easy compared to that. I've never gotten to drive a manual BMW before.

 

even my old school bimmer is pretty easy to heal toe and ive only owned it for a few weeks. oh yeah my bimmer is a 1987 535is

misha

 

thanks for all your inputs guys. i'll let my roommate know that he doesnt need anything special to heel toe in his car. thanks

 

The pedal setup is really good. The throttle response is a little weird in that you need to stab the pedal a lot to get the revs you need on a downshift at high rpm. I've noticed this in several of them now so it's not just my 328, but the pedals themselves are great.

 

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i had an 88 535 i did it in all the time, i thought it was great pedal setup.

 

No problems here.

The only suggestion I would have since you have a 'new' bmw is that you remove the clutch delay valve (cdv). It really serves no purpose other than to 'dampen' harsh up/downshifts.

 

yeah i have five BMW's, all different years and models, and everyone of them have excellent pedal layouts for heel toe. Perfect even .