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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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I am planning on getting the E-Manage to hopefully correct this problem permanently but i need some temporary help. I have a 99 Accord i4 w/ FMAX setup modified with DSM 450's.. I only have the Fields SFC AFC to control these injectors and at idle i just cant pull enough fuel. Is there any other way besides the emanage to pull enough fuel at least so i can idle somewhat better and stop fouling out plugs??

Also, if the emange can only adjust the injectors by +/- 20% then how will that be better than the 30% im pullin at 1-2k from the SFC AFC??
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Old Feb 10, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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well, I'm not sure this is really what you're looking for, but the Apexi SAFC and VAFC can pull up to like 45-50%, or something like that. I've seen at least into the 40's.

(oh, and keep in mind I really don't know much about tuning and tuning related components.)
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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bump for more answers
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 09:33 PM
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when i first installed my dsm injectors no matter how much fuel i pulled in uberdata it wouldn't get any leaner. it ended up i need an adjustable FPR...so i bought an AEM and that fixed my problem. but im pretty sure that was because my fuel pump was just making more pressure than my stock FPR could handle.
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Old Feb 11, 2005 | 11:23 PM
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high pressure/ high volume pumps overwhelm the stock regulators easily.

I have used the afc to idle 450's and whatnot... idle was great and ran pretty well even though alot of ignition timing was out of it.

btw do the 99's have a resistor box for the injectors?
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 11:08 AM
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I have an AEM FPR and AEM Fuel Rail and Walbro 255lph fuel pump and the DSM 450's.. i did use inline resistors.. fuel press should be about 40 psi .. should i dip the fuel pressure lower to idle better? but i also need the fuel pressure up top so how do i compensate?
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Old Feb 12, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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I like to run in the neighborhood of 38-42 at idle... depends... but 40 should be fine.

You need to pull more fuel... either with the afc or the better option is convert to obd1/ p28 ecu/ uberdata imo.

What are you using to trick the map sensor from seeing the boost? ML?

You could also try like a 390cc dsm injector.




Modified by twkdCD595 at 2:52 AM 2/13/2005
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 06:40 AM
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Yea, I'm using a Missing Link. But I've read about using the Apexi VAFC hack and as long as you dont go above 10psi you wont get a CEL. But if Im going to spend the money on that might as well just buy the emanage.
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Old Feb 14, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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give it more idle...
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 07:39 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BluLude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">give it more idle...</TD></TR></TABLE>

what do you mean??
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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I think he's telling you to up the pressure at idle
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 08:24 AM
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like if you are idling at 600 and its flooding bump the idle to like 800 or something so itll burn up some more fuel since u cant take any away...
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 08:30 AM
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so should i lower the fuel pressure but raise the idle by adjusting the idle screw in the TB?
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 08:32 AM
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it won't lower the pressure it will just burn up the excess
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Old Feb 16, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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i would just leave your pressure and everything set up for optimal driving at other RPM's but just raise your idle so like TxTuner said you would just burn off the excess fuel
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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I just don't see how raising the idle will eat up that much fuel and won't the TPS just sense that the idle is higher and dump in more fuel??
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Old Feb 17, 2005 | 11:07 PM
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get emange now. the richness is masking the ignition "recurving."

whatever you do don't roll into boost from a low rpm/high gear because theres a flaw with the hack in the ignition "recurving" where timing is extremely advanced at lower RPMs but masked by the hack running rich. read this link its really helpful info.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 08:38 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Excelerate &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yea, I'm using a Missing Link. But I've read about using the Apexi VAFC hack and as long as you dont go above 10psi you wont get a CEL. But if Im going to spend the money on that might as well just buy the emanage.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you need to take the missing link off for emanage or the "hack"

and just an FYI, if you go over 10 psi on the afc hack you will NOT throw a code.
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Old Feb 18, 2005 | 11:21 AM
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Yea notoriousb i know i have to remove the missing link w/ either the emanage or the afc.. we've spoken before and im probably goin to go with the emanage.. i have to get the emanage b/c i need to pull some timing up top .. the afc will just help me with fuel.. thanx for all the help guys
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