It has been awhile since I was involved in Auto-x and so I have been going over the rule-sets for ST,SP, SM etc., and I am surprised that you have to stay within stock camber in SP but not in ST. What is up with that?

 

Are you reading from a 2005 rulebook? It's been changed. ST camber allowances can now be used in SP. (SP always had allowances for camber on wishbone-shod cars but they weren't as "affordable" as the camber kits in ST... but now it's not an issue.)

 

yeah, what maxQ said.

btw, SCCA now has the rule books available online, for free!

 

Yes, from the 2005 online version.Where? I will try reading them again.

 

You don't have to stay at factory alignment settings just because wishbone cars aren't allowed to use "camber kits."

 

Does anyone have the page # for this please? I can't seem to find it or I am misunderstanding the rule.

Thanks

 

well Victor, it appears that teh 2005 Solo2 Rules PDF was published before the Fastrak that announces the change.

I'm gonna search the Fastrak archives for you.

 

Wow!! I thought I was going nuts. I probably am nuts, but not right now, maybe.

Thanks, it would be cool if you could point me to the fastrack!

Congrats on the halo removal, I wish you the best of luck

Victor Penner

 

Searched all the Fastrack's back to Aug '04, couldn't find the allowance. Has all the vicodin gone to my head? Why can't I find the allowance of camber kits in SP???

 

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Did you and I somehow have the same dream!?!?!?

As of December 2004: http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-...33/5?

As that thread points out, offset bushings will accomplish some of the negative camber you want...

 

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Did you and I somehow have the same dream!?!?!?

As of December 2004: http://www.sccaforums.com/cgi-...33/5?

As that thread points out, offset bushings will accomplish some of the negative camber you want...

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we must have!

Victor, offset delrin bushings are your friend! I think OPM might sell these?

 

Gents,

In SP, you have *always* been allowed to run alignment outside of factory specs. Heck, you can even do that legally in Stock!!

The only limitation is in the additional methods used to achieve it (aside from whatever factory adjusters or lack thereof). That's where SP is very specific, and ST allows a bit more creativity in method.

--Andy

 

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Andy,
I knew that! Somehow I got the idea stuck in my head (and so did MaxQ) that you are now allowed to swap 1 control arm (upper or lower, not both) in SP to gain camber. But alas, both MaxQ and myself are apparently suffering from the same delusions

 

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In SP, you have *always* been allowed to run alignment outside of factory specs. Heck, you can even do that legally in Stock!!


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It says that Camber has to be within Factory Spec's , and that any sort of offset bushing are only to bring you back to Spec, not past. Toe is a different matter.

 

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Huh? 13.8 allows alignment outside factory specs (13 is Stock section, 15.1.A says SP inherits all the stock rules).

 

Anyways, as noted above, you're restricted to adjusting camber through factory means or offset bushings or camber plates (not applicable to double A arm designs). No alternate control arms.

 

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Or camber bolts (aka crash bolts). Or lowering by allowed means.

Many ways to skin this cat, just not replacement control arms or ball joints or the like. Not yet, anyway.

--Andy

 

I thought ball joints were ok?

 

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In ST classes they are, but not in Street Prepared classes.