TECH opinions only please



The manifolds from the info i recieved should flow very well. There not to sure what turbochargers to test it on, however it will def be a t3/t4, which actual trim wont be known for at least about another 2-3 weeks when they finish up teh rest of the kit and get some testing done. The housing on there now is a GT35R housing, so no real t3 turbo will be get bigger than that, fitment should be better than any of those pics.

The kits themselves have been out for our honda-acura apps for about 3 months now and have been featured in a couple honda-acura magz. I myself ordered one for my car.

Kit should include.
manifold
3" downpipe
t3/t4 garrett turbo
oil lines
piping
tial 38mm wastegate and tial bov
Garret High Density Intercooler

and im sure more items as well. From what they told me over the phone the full kit should be around 2900 bucks which i didnt think was too bad. I figured i would share this info with you guys to see what you think about it and if you seen anything from the pics that could be better or may help them in building a better setup than what it may be.

Laterz

Ricky
http://www.wiredspeed.com


Modified by WIRED RICKY at 12:58 PM 2/3/2005

 

Looks like a real nice kit. Tight fit.

Now stop working and go home.

 

Me go home? hahahaha

Kyle and I live here at WSL.. While everyone is sleeping, were here

 

Why stick the turbine that close to the BMC? There are already plenty of manifolds that have shitty clearance there, why not make one that clears well? It IS possible.

 

I dont think there is. Keep in mind that is a gt35R so its really big. The standard turbos that will come with the kit should have alot better fitment and spacing.

 

Yeah, that is a big turbine, but there's another inch to be had closer to the head if the turbo flange was angled.

 

I guess you have a point. Lets see what the finished product looks like.

Ricky

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kookz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah, that is a big turbine, but there's another inch to be had closer to the head if the turbo flange was angled.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not exactly true, You have to consider the compressor housing too, if you angle it more the outlet of it will hit the engine bay wall and the compressor housing itself will hit the tubing.

Im sure if extra room was able to be made, ken wouldve done it.

 

The fitup on the piping doesn't look that great.

 

I guess thats why its only tack welded.

 

Thats tack welded so they know exactly what the fitment and angle will be. Once it gets welded completly it looks nothing like that.


Ricky

 

agreed even if only tack welded the fitment should be perfect when mocking up a product. If you break the tac's and reposition that tub it will chnage the whole fitment of the mani

 

to clear up any speculation, the T3 .63 a/r and .82 a/r clear the mastercylinder by .250" at least.
the picture with only a .125" clearance is with the large 1.06 a/r GT turbine housing, which will probly never be used on this application, but it will fit...

also, i think the most important thing that is being overlooked on this manifold is that it will allow for use of the newer Garrett T31 high flow 4bolt and GT 4bolt housings.

the manifold will have an MSRP opf ~$899.00

hope this helps to clear a few things up.

ken

 

I thought it was pretty clear when Ricky said this....

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WIRED RICKY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Keep in mind that is a gt35R so its really big. The standard turbos that will come with the kit should have alot better fitment and spacing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

But then again, I was always told I was the shiniest peanut in the turd.

Nice turbo selection. The manifold price is also hard to beat comparitively speaking.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxpsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was always told I was the shiniest peanut in the turd. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmmm, sounds like some type of digestive problem if your having full peanuts showing up in your turds. better get that checked out.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExploitedRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not exactly true, You have to consider the compressor housing too, if you angle it more the outlet of it will hit the engine bay wall and the compressor housing itself will hit the tubing.

Im sure if extra room was able to be made, ken wouldve done it.</TD></TR></TABLE>Ever heard of a turbo's ability to be clocked? And why leave 1" for the cool compressor and sacrifice bmc clearance with the hot turbine?

1/4" clearance is NOT something to write home about.

 

Its work in progress. Not something there claiming to make 2000hp. Just see the project develop.

No need to rip each others tech know how or anything.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kookz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ever heard of a turbo's ability to be clocked? And why leave 1" for the cool compressor and sacrifice bmc clearance with the hot turbine?

1/4" clearance is NOT something to write home about.
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i guess we know who wont be using one..

please feel free post pictures of the manifold you will be producing to fill the void of an affordable high quality manifold in the sr20det market.

we will also be including 1 linear foot of the C&R gold reflective film with each manifold. the gold reflective film withstands +675*F of sustained radiant heat for a minimum of 8hours at 1mm clearance.

thanks
ken

 

No, I won't...but I'm just trying to help before you have it jigged and are producing it. If you'd rather produce it and have problems with it, then go ahead.

Oh yeah, a lot of people run a 17/16" BMC instead of that stock 7/8" MC. So kiss that clearance goodbye.

 

Doesn't the engine torque towards the MC under load? I know I have at least 0.25" of deflection at the top of the valvecover with urethane filled mounts. Stock or Nismo mounts are definitely going to give at least that much deflection.

I can't recall exactly which way the engine torques right now though, so you guys might be right.

 

I think this would be huge for the 240 community but being an sr guy myself I have to agree with the clearance. The engine does torque that way so it may be a problem.

an inch of clearance goes a long way! We need some good competition in the top mount tubular, equal length manifold market. Build this bitch but listen to the SR guys who will be your customers.

- Jay
a.k.a. BlueBomber

 

notes taken.

we were still very far from completed on the design on this manifold, as we have yet to test fit the prototype in an s14 chassis.

im going to go ahead and see what we can do about creating some more clearance in that area for the engine torque and s14 guys.

 

BTW, forgot to mention that it is a beautiful piece. very nice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PhoenixTurbo.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">notes taken.

we were still very far from completed on the design on this manifold, as we have yet to test fit the prototype in an s14 chassis.

im going to go ahead and see what we can do about creating some more clearance in that area for the engine torque and s14 guys. </TD></TR></TABLE>

IMO if you're not even near completion I wouldn't be releasing pictures. Easy way for another company to get a head start copying what you have and going from there.

Also, have you ever had your brake fluid boil? It's no good, pedal to the floor and not a thing you can do about it. I'd keep at least 2" of clearance from the master cylinder and brake lines. I wouldn't rely on some gold foil that only lasts for X amount of time to save my ***. I don't see a reason why you can't move the turbo closer to the front of the car and still have an equal length manifold.

* saves pictures and buys some nissan head flanges and schedule 10 stainless piping


Modified by backpurge at 10:48 PM 2/3/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't see a reason why you can't move the turbo closer to the front of the car and still have an equal length manifold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Now there is a good idea.