I tried searches, found good information, but no real answer to my question.

Im doin a GSR swap in my Integra, i was gonna do a b20, but the GSR is going to be cheaper and more stable, so i was gonna do a set of Skunk 2 stage I cams to make up the difference in what i was ready to spend, but then i saw "valvetrain upgrade recommended"
I wasnt exactly ready to spend the extra on the upgrade, just the cams. How would these cams perform w/o the upgrade, and will they make 800 dollars worth of power?


Modified by Spectrum24x at 10:20 PM 2/1/2005

 

Valvetrain upgrade recommeded because the higher lift of the cam lobes will tend to add extra strain to the valvetrain components especially in high RPM's. If you are planning to up the redline, it would be highly recommended to get new stiffer inner and outer springs. Type R outers and Portflow Inners(Or vice versa?) seem to be a combination many people get. And don't forget to get a set of timing gears so that you can tune those bad boys on the dyno. And up the compression a bit to match with the higher spec of those cams(optional). $800 does seem like a lot, but if you plan to go all motor, upgraded cams are essential (you finally get to hear your vtec also). Good luck with your decision.

 

I'm not really planning on makin much of a motor, more of just something quicker then my ls motor, and fun to drive.
So are you saying the stage 1 cams wouldn't be efficient without the upgrades?
I dont plan on upping the redline, just leaving it at 8200

 

Not saying that. It would just be beneficial with those upgrades. Cam gears and tuning I feel are a must with those cams. You will feel extra kick, but it won't be where it could be. Oh, and a VAFC would also do you good. Hondata is the prefered way, but this is the second best option. Vtec kicking in at 4400 is a little to low for those cams.

 

Hmm, well i dont really have the extra money to spend on all the upgrades to make it run how it really could.

Do you think theres some other mod i could get more power out of my 800 bucks?

 

It totally depends on what you want to do with the car I think. I would say get Koni Yellows and GC's all around. But that's me. Do you want to Drag, Autocross, kick everyones asses on the street (not recommended), or look good?

 

800$ for stage I's ??

These are brand new?

I would just get them used--you can find pretty easily for about 500$ or so.

You'll possibly need/want --dyno tuning time, upgraded valvetrain, vafc, cam gears

 

I recommend some CTR cams (~$300) if you are going to stay only mildly modified. Stage ones will make a little more power, but with the money you save you could get a FPR/Valvesprings/Gears. With only the cams you will still get more power, but the other parts will make it reliable and at least basically tunable.

And dont raise the redline with any aftermarket(bigger) cam using stock valvesprings, they are almost necessary to avoid valve failure. But you said u werent so you may be OK without the springs... but pushin it. And if you miss a shift, it is a guaranteed gone'r.

I bought all of the stuff I just recommeded and Im diggin it!

 

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Don't you just love how you hear vtec kick, and then the butterflies opening up and the engine screaming shortly after. Sounds like it screams through 3 different stages. Given that you still have your stock IM.

 

Im gettin that exmag exhaust also

Hmm, that sounds like a sweet setup, give you some good power and leaves enough money to make it reliable.
I'll look into that.
i need to make up my mind, im droppin my car off tomorrow

 

ok, this might be a stupid question.
But how much do you think it'd cost me to do CTR cams, with the omnipower valvetrain, from what i've read, i could safely rev that on a GSR to abou 9500 rpm
how much would that setup cost, and is that true?

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Just came across this
B-Series DOHC VTEC Motors
Buddy Club Spec III camshafts
Omni Power Dual Valve Springs
Omni Power Titanium Retainers
800 bucks.


Modified by Spectrum24x at 12:42 AM 2/2/2005

 

if ur planning on upgrading ur head then its better if u do a little port and polishing also...i bought my skunk2 stage 1s for 200 bucks used and i like it alot...try getting ahold of some stage 1s with the portflow inners and itr outers like jadebellyt said...u can use ur stock valvetrain but just dont go over stock redline

 

You need new springs and retainers. It's like $300. Then you're prolly gonna pay about $300 to have them installed. Then whatever you pay for cams, cam gears, and VAFC or whatever you use to get extra fuel in there. So yer prolly lookin at $1000 to do it right.

 

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Agreed. you cant drop in cams. Cams need to be tuned and you need cam gears and a VAFC at the least to that. A valvetrain upgrade is recommended with ANY set of upgrades cams.

 

What are your horsepower goals? Are CTR cams, valvetrain, and some good headwork good for about 220 to the wheels? With high compression pistons. What is a good redline after the cam install? Sorry for jackin the thread, but I don't want to start another.

 

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That's what I did. I had the headporters install the new springs while they were at it. Sounds mean afterwards.

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The guy at inline4 quoted me around $500 for the install of the head. I said screw that, bought myself a helm's manual, and did it myself, with the help of some friends. I was a pain in the ***, but not extremely difficult. Very happy with the results. I always had the notion that after these kinds of mods, the car starts to run rich, not lean. Then a VAFC would be used to lean out the fuel. I might be wrong.

 

What kind of OH Valve spring compressor did you use? I looked at the Craftsman one but it looked really cheap. Anyone have any suggestions for a good one? Then I'll do that **** myself.

Kingmotorsports quoted me $240 to do mine and I don't think thats bad at all for their work.

 

Ask yourself what kind of power you want out of your car. Do you have all the pre-requisites such as Intake/Header/Exhaust? Without at least intake and exhaust, you will see little out of any cam. The header can make a huge difference too. CTR cams will make great power, but you MUST get at the LEAST, ITR valvesprings and retainers. Revving high on a stock GSR valvetrain with CTR's is asking for problems sooner than later. If you really want to get Skunk 2's or Buddy Club's (the 3's and 3+ are mid-range cams), then get an upgraded valvetrain. I recommend the Omni-Power setup as you were asking about. Or even Portflow. The Buddy Club's will probably do better in the mid-range compared to the Skunk2 Stage 2's. Go to the all-motor forum and look for dyno's on the Buddy Club 3, 3+ and 4's as well as the Skunk 2's or any other cam you may be interested in for that matter. Once the cams are installed, you will need something like a VAFC or Hondata to get the most horsepower out of them. I would also advise cam gears and maybe an adjustable fuel pressure regulator (with a VAFC and Hondata, you don't REALLY need this). Finally, GET THAT **** TUNED!!! Good luck!

 

The best cams are skunk2 stage 1, they dont mess with your idle and give u 17hp on the wheels(skunk2.com dyno chart). I am selling a pair of skunk 2 cams stage 1s for 450 if anyone is interested, they are brand new, only 1 k on them, i have the carb sticker and boxes, pm me for pics.. you wont find a better deal

 

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Isn't that contradictory?

 

Well, the skunk 2's were what i was going to do, but, turns out now im sending my LS block to a machine shop, and for the same price, getting a fully built LS/vtec with a 2000 GSR head

 

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Even worse I am pretty sure they go for about $510 new