85mm gsr block
golden eagle sleeves
crower rods
12:5:1 comp endyn pistons
ls crank

type r alaniz head
skunk valve train
rev valves
skunk 2 stg 2 cams
skun intake mani
370 injecters
aem fuel rail and reg
spoon throttle body 70mm


money isnt an issue

 

for the amount of money ud be paying for a s200 w/ ecu, datalogging and programability it would be the same for an AEM... but the AEM can do a lot more.

 

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Are you stupid. No it won't it won't come CLOSE to $1600. Unless you are running on A: a car that is not hondata supported or B: has ITB's Hondata is the way to go and maintain other functions of the factory ECU.

A big question is what year is the car. I was unlucky and got a 96 GSR. So I had to buy a new ECU. BUT the Hondata prechipped ECU with backdate harness is stilla around $425. Then the actual box is only $295 and data logging is a mere $50. SO the total assuming you HAVE a OBDII car is $770 almost HALF the cost of the AEM. Enough to buy a NICE chunk of good dyno time. Get the Hondata everyone I know LOVES it and the cost can't be beat. I know many all out all motor cars running it.

Have it on my car and when I get enough for the N/A build up I will DEF keep it.
to Hondata

 

the going rate for a used AEM EMS is about 900$, for any obd model... no conversion harness needed.

now lets add up a hondata...

s200 - 295
3step - 125
datalog - 50
rom editor - 200
programmer - 180
p28 + chipping - 200

total hondata = $1050 + if you have to convert to obd1.

you can prolly find a nice used setup for a little less than an AEM, however... the AEM is a lot more powerful.

if you are just looking for something extremely simple that you can take a shop and have them do everything for you then sure get the basemodel hondata will get the job done. however, i bet you want more than that if you already dumped all this money into your setup... why not go with the BEST? AEM all the way.

 

new ems's w/o the wideband are 1250.. new ones with the builtin wideband controler run about 1550. not to mention track side/road side changes are about 1000 times easier with the ems and you have full control over everything. hondata leaves out alot of stuff that you need to tune with modified engines. a full s200 setup wiht all the **** is around 1400.

 

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EMS &gt; hondata

 

Well it all comes down to the question of what you need and who is going to tune it.

The build up is not for a drag race turbo motor that constantly needs to be changed. I guess it is up to your personal preferences and who you would like to tune your car. The AEM EMS is better without a doubt and yes I missed cost is not an issue.

Anyways it comes down to who is tuning, if they have a wideband, what ECU you have etc... but once again I missed that cost is not an issue. whoops.

 

AEM foo!

 

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if thats the case go with the aem.

 

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then get some ITBS and some bigger cams

oh yea and AEM

 

i'd be more worried about who is tuning the car than the ecu. at the end of the day, the ecu is only as good as the person tuning it.

i've seen wrx's running 5k motec systems being comprehensively hammered by people with 1k microtech systems because the motec "tuner" was shithouse.

 

i think im gonna go with the aem...thanks for all the help and keep posting prolly the tunning is going to be LDL speedshop....Dennis is a real kool guy with a lot i mean a lot of trophies for all his projects...a lot of 11 and 12 sec allmotor....and the air down in vegas sux... but i think im going to let Dennis tune my motor

 

depends on ur tuner...im goin aem cause i have one of the best aem tuners in my town.

 

yea man Cody loves the AEM and knows his shyt especially when it comes to Tunning!!!!!!!! so I'm going with the AEM also since..... "Money is no issue"

 

If money isn't an issue then get the EMS. However money for me is an issue because I got ripped of $3600 by Rob Cardona who owes it to me according to the courts, however I'm having a similar dilemma S200 or EMS.

 

aem

 

david just go AEM

 

Aem all the way....Worth every doller I paid for it...Especially if you have someone who knows how to play with it..the tuner is KEY with any engine management system. Pep isn't lying when he said one of the best AEM players is right in our town, and he's got an overweight 9 sec turbo STREET car to back it up... with slips and videos .. Trust me you won't regret buying it....Hell I used to have a Accel DFI gen 7 in my car and I got rid of it to go AEM...

 

i got a dealer kit for 1050 brand new which consists of datalogging, 3 step limiter, romulator, programmer, s200b, etc etc.

I heard hondata has more potential... meaning u can tune most cars unklike the aems?

 

I would recommend EMS. I am running a very similair setup and I am running EMS. I woudl also recommend to run whatever your tuner has the most experience with. EMS =

 

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dont talk of that which you have no clue about... you can tune ANY car in existance with the ems. if you can think of it the ems can runs it. compairing hondata to the ems is like compairing a supercomputer to an etch-a-sketch.

 

slightly OT, JDogg, can you tune an 8 cyl w/AEM EMS 30-1010? i'm not being facetious; just asking. i was going to loan mine to my tuner to try before my build is done (he builds V8s also), but i thought of the possible electronic issues (like most v8s which he does aren't even EFI, and i don't know what he'd do for a harness). i'm sure that there are enough settings to fire 8 spark plugs and 8 injectors.

regarding the original question, if $ is no object, as much more as the AEM can do over the S200, why not go Autronic?

 

What do you guys think of this setup for the price wise. You all got me think'n i don't want to do it now with how many of u say AEM but listen to this setup then look at the price and tell me what u guys think of it. Its the Hondata S200 base unit, Boost Capability option (enabled), Data logging capability (enabled), 3-step rev limiter, launch control, and full throttle shift. (enabled), Clutch switch and wiring, Set Button and wiring, LED shift light, ROM Editor V3 software, Romulator real-time emulator, Pocket Programmer with emulator board, P28 OBDI ECU (socket already installed), EPROM Chip, OBDII to OBDI adapter harness. which my buddy is ask'n 750 for it do u guys think this is worth it and for the price better than the AEM setup just wandering cuz it you guys think so i will probably buy it but if not then i will have to give it a little more thought and that includes a wideband 02 sensor. Thanks

 

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like i said earlier, AEM makes their computers specific for the car. Here is the part numbers/applications http://www.aempower.com/product_ems_app.asp

to answer your question about using a 1010 on a v8, no u can not do that.

 

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