Ive watched some Grand Am races over the last couple of years and have loved everybit of it. and Now getting into racing i was curious as to the difference it is from lets say USTCC , Improved Touring, or honda challenge.

can anyone put a link up for rules or what the rules are?


thanks guys

 

Delinquent is here on the boards, he has run quite a few from what have been told.

 

grand am website has all the rules

 

i could not find the direct link...


thanks though ill look for it.

 

I got the rules but couldnt find any kind of classing for the small compacts.

sorry for all teh questions

 

They have a section on the website (www.grand-am.com) labled "for competitors" along with forms and such, there are contact #s, the people at the office are pretty nice, though.. this is a busy week for them so if you leave a message, might want to give them some time to call back. (Daytona 24 hours in 6 days.. and they usually have their hands full with licensing and such for the couple hundred extra drivers)

Jon K
http://www.seat-time.com

 

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Start here:

http://www.grandamerican.com/C...4.pdf

 

The classification is in the rule book, last 2 pages.

Anyway, they are:

ITR
RSX Type S
TSX
97-00 A4
E46
Z3
Z4
Cobalt SS
SRT4
IS300
Mazda 6
RX-8
Mazdaspeed Protege
Cooper S
Sentra SE-R Spec V
Boxster

 

Civic's arent Eligible?

 

You can't afford it.

 

Just asking if they could be eligible .... not if i can afford it. and dont speculate. You do not know who i am.


thanks

 

isnt honda running a civic R?

 

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Classification request form: http://www.grand-am.com/CONTEN...t.pdf

Excuse my skepticism, I have a hard time believing that a 16 year old could afford the $450 Grand-Am membership fee, a $1,250 a race weekend entry fee, pit equipment, and all the other expenses necessary to run in this level of competition...

 

Anyone can do anything with sponsorship and help. Besides yes I am 16 but i am CEO of Johnson Racing Development so all racing, traveling , bla bla bla , is written off through the company.

im going to be racing ITA anyways at my own expense for the fun of it. and I would one day like to Race in some Grand AM , World Challenge and USTCC.


so i was just asking questions.

 

Take it one step at a time, worry about starting in ITA first before you think about Grand-Am Cup.

Besides, you wouldn't want to be driving an ITA Civic in that series anyway.

 

That is what i plan on doing. My real question was what the big difference is in the races. Meaning how much would it take to go from ITA to Grand Am or if i would have to build an Entirely different car.

and just curious to if anyone on here races in the series and their input on it.

 

The Grand-Am Cup races are obviously much longer. This means that you need a second driver, pit equipment, and extra budget for the extra travel, tire/brake usage, entry lists, etc.

ITA is for cars that are typically 6 years or older, Grand-Am Cup is for late model vehicles, so there is little overlap in what is eligible for both. The Grand-Am Cup cars are much more advanced, and cost much more to build. I've been told a Speedsource RX-8 and a Turner 330i cost about $80,000 to build.

If you were to run Grand-Am Cup, you wouldn't want to build your own car, you'd rent a seat from an existing team.

 

Good article in the current GRM about Grand Am vs. Speed World Challenge.

Quick summary: Grand Am is expensive ($10,000 per race after building a $80,000 car), World Challenge even more expensive.

 

I considered running my car (HC H2 ITR) in Grand-am cup's VIR event, but it wouldn't be legal w/o the power steering system that I removed; and it wouldn't be competitive against the other ITRs that were running 2:10 - 2:11 on the long course. You gotta have a Grand-Am Cup compliant fuel rig too.

 

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ITA is for cars that are typically 6 years or older, Grand-Am Cup is for late model vehicles, so there is little overlap in what is eligible for both. The Grand-Am Cup cars are much more advanced, and cost much more to build. I've been told a Speedsource RX-8 and a Turner 330i cost about $80,000 to build.

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With all the testing you will have to do to compete I think it will far exceed $80,000

 

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Cool...what is that? Do you have a link to the website?

 

Good to know! Ive seen that SWC and Grand Am are big money that is why at my age and with the knowledge i have I really plan on just stayin at ITA because i know that will present enough challenges for me.

If i ever decide to actually race in SWC i have a couple friends that have cars they run so im sure i can buy seat time if i wana fork over some money.


it kinda sucks that USTCC isn't liked as much because i tend to favor that kind of racing. you can make the cars pretty cool and very quick and there is quite a variety in the field.


thanks guys!

 

Johnson Racing Development for the gentleman that asked is really a company my father started for me about 6 months ago that is really just to legalize the transactions and work i do for other people. It was started out as a german / european business but i could get a little bit of everything. and now with the honda i am pretty much going into the world of racing and high end street cars.

little info about me and reason why:


ive been into almost every form of racing sense i was little. and alwasy working or fixing something that was broken around the house or shop. dad is the business man and im the handy man. im the guy all the friends call on for help with their cars and now i decided it was about time to start a business so that when i finish school i can start a shop and have some what of a predictable cliental so that i know everything will go smooth. I am hoping with the ITA knowledge and racing knowledge i will be able to put to use and learn that i can turn that around in the cars i work on or cars i build for future people.


I do not have a website yet .... ( under construction) but ill post up asap.

I am trying to sell my street car right now to fund everything ( MK4 jetta with right around 15 thousand in it)


thanks for your interest.

and i see you do graphics and work with a fabrication company?

 

You can race in GA Cup for a lot less. It all depends on how competitive you want to be. To run in GS class in something like a 996 Porsche you talking 100K for a good car. However you can run in ST for a lot less. Sure Turner and Powell Motorsports spend 80K on their Bimmers and Caddy's, but there are other teams that spend less and still do well.

Jerry SPangler at CSL racing fielded a 330i ST car last season and even finished 2nd at Daytona. His car is closer to 40-50K in term of build cost. There are also teams running even less cost. I think Allan Himes and some of the guys at ICY racing have around 30K in their Z3 coupe ( including the cost of the car).

Lyonel Kent and I briefly discussed building a Honda Civic to compete in GA Cup but the cost to be competitive was too great and the Honda is too outdated to really run in the front in ST class.

I was offered a ride in CSL Racing's BMW for 6K for Daytona. In most cases you are going to spend 5-7K in ST class and 12K and up to rent a ride in GS class.

No cheap, but still a bargain compared to SWC. In terms of taking an ITA or ITS car to compete in GA Cup ... forget about it. You'd still get lapped by the slowest ST cars.

Regards,

Jon P. Kofod

 

what is GA cup? havent heard of that one.


thanks for the input!