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Old Jan 27, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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<U>TODA N2 Full Setup</U>



229.4whp @ 8200rpm & 158.8wtq @ 5800rpm

They made that power with the following setup.
<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT>INJEN cold air intake, TODA Engine Kit, TODA Exhaust Manifold, and MUGEN exhaust system.

Also needed which is not listed on TODA's site is the K20A PRC Intake Manifold which TODA has not listed. Their numbers were achieved using this Intake Manifold.

TODA Engine Kit is made up of the following parts:
TODA Spec N2 Camshafts
TODA Uprated Valve Spring Kit
TODA USA N2 ECU Reflash

<U>Price Breakdown</U>
<A HREF="http://store.clubrsx.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CR&Product_Code =TDR-
09.TD.EKK20A&Category_Code=ARSXENCC&Product_Count= 7" TARGET="_blank">TODA Engine Kit</A>: $2,350
<A HREF="http://store.clubrsx.com/merchant.mv?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CR&Product_Code=INJ-
RS1475P&Category_Code=ICATS&Product_Count=1" TARGET="_blank">INJEN cold air intake</A>: $227
K20A PRC Intake Manifold: $330
<A HREF="http://store.clubrsx.com/merchant.mv?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CR&Product_Code=TDR-
11.TD.EMFK20A&Category_Code=HR&Product_Count=3" TARGET="_blank">TODA Exhaust Manifold</A>: $1,150
MUGEN exhaust system: $975
Total Price: $5,032

<U>IPS- K2 Full Setup</U>



247.5whp @ 7905rpm & 172wtq @ 5914rpm

They made that power with the following setup:
IPS-K2 camshafts, PRC intake manifold w/bored TB, Hondata IMG, CAI with Prototype Racing Intake-Bell, DC Race Header, 5 Zigen catback<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT>, Hondata K-Pro.

<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT>I could not find more info on this exhaust. I used Comptech Exhaust in price list since it is 2.5".

<U>Price Breakdown</U>
IPS-K2 & Hondata K-Pro Bundle Price: $2,000
<A HREF="http://acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/srchrslts.jsp?
search=sku&srchwords=14752-PRB-A01" TARGET="_blank">14752-PRB-A01</A> - inner valve spring, red top: $4.67/ea<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT> x 16 = $74.72
<A HREF="http://acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/srchrslts.jsp?
search=sku&srchwords=14761-PCX-003" TARGET="_blank">14761-PCX-003</A> - outer valve spring, yellow top: $5.70/ea<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT> x 16 = $91.20
<A HREF="http://acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/srchrslts.jsp?
search=sku&srchwords=14765-PRB-A01" TARGET="_blank">14765-PRB-A01</A> - retainer w/ dished top: $2.23/ea<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT> x 16 = $35.68
Prototype Racing Intake Bell: $70
AEM Cold Air Intake: $217
Bored Throttle Body: $150
Hondata Intake Manifold Gasket: $65
K20A PRC Intake Manifold: $330
DC Sports Ceramic Race Header: $349
Comptech Exhaust : $695<FONT COLOR="red">**</FONT>
Total Price: $4,077

<FONT COLOR="red">*</FONT>Prices were found at http://acuraautomotiveparts.org/
<FONT COLOR="red">**</FONT>Custom exhaust can be made for half that price. I wanted to use an exhaust that readily available to the public for comparison sake.

I just wanted to show the peeps on this site the power you could make when going either route and the amount of money you will spend to get there.


TODA N2 Graph vs IPS-K2 Graph
NUMBERS
Difference in peak numbers
229.4whp/158.8wtq Toda N2 Peak
247.5whp/172.2wtq IPS-K2 Peak
18.1whp/13.4wtq Peak Difference

Difference across the powerband
@3000rpm est. 80whp/135wtq Toda N2
@3000rpm est. 84whp/149wtq IPS-K2
@3000rpm est. 4whp/14wtq Difference

@5000rpm est. 141whp/145wtq Toda N2
@5000rpm est. 150whp/159wtq IPS-K2
@5000rpm est. 9whp/14wtq Difference

@8000rpm est. 228whp/144wtq Toda N2
@8000rpm est. 245whp/162wtq IPS-K2
@8000rpm est. 17whp/18wtq Difference

-Jalal
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 05:05 AM
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This is a cool comparison. Thanks for posting the info.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 05:31 AM
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...K20 POWA! DAM!
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 06:44 AM
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Decent numbers but notice that it is at the flywheel not at the wheels

That second set-up looks a lot like compression was bumped (sorry if it was stated in there and I missed it)
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Decent numbers but notice that it is at the flywheel not at the wheels </TD></TR></TABLE>
Dynapack is at the hubs. Shawn's dyno reads about 8% higher than a Dynojet.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 07:29 AM
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Yeah, I have noticed that it says flywheel power on the top of Shawn's graphs, even when is truly whp. I don't really know why that is.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 09:14 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H22coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Decent numbers but notice that it is at the flywheel not at the wheels

That second set-up looks a lot like compression was bumped (sorry if it was stated in there and I missed it)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Compression was stock 11.0:1. No changes were made to the bottom end at all.

And as it was pointed out by b19coupe and rochesterrice, all of shawn's graphs read flywheel hp.

I cannot wait and see what power can be made of these engines once the bottom end is built and CR is raised to 12 or 12.5:1.
-Jalal
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 09:36 AM
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Good comparison!
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