I know the B series is played out, and I don't want to be like everybody else. I have considered the K series swap, but that was WAY to much cash for all the goodies to make it work, and honestly, I don't think that my baby 88 could handle it without substantial modification. Can an H22 fit into a little HB with minimal play? If so, what kind of sources are available for a LEGAL JDM H22 and required accessories?

 

you would have to modify a lot more to fit the h22 than the k20.

 

What swap would be productive, relatively simple, but out of the norm?

 

No swap is relatively simple, productive, AND out of the norm.

 

swap a d in there. thats more out of the norm then a b swap

 

I for one dont think that the b series is "played out". You own a Honda...if you dont want something played out get a Geo

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Smokinsax &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I for one dont think that the b series is "played out". You own a Honda...if you dont want something played out get a Geo </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civickiller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">swap a d in there. thats more out of the norm then a b swap</TD></TR></TABLE>

retarded statement, seeing they come with d-series.

 

Generally the rule goes with H and K swaps in EF:

If you have to ask, don't do it.

 

Well, I don't see how wanting to be different has anything to do with knocking my choice in engines. Just because I don't want to rice my car out doesn't mean I should own a Geo. I have a POS D15 that is dying, a B series is WAY played out as everybody I know that has an EF has one. 16's 18's 20's, can I get some originality? I'm thinking I should just cross engineer the HB and plop in the Chevy L82 I have sitting in the garage. Come on people, let's get realistic! I want a true Honda with JDM parts, but not one that either makes people laugh at the F-14 tailfin and bodykit or cry because it is so decrepit a Geo might be a better choice.

 

what i want to know is what does it matte rif something is played out? the b works well and does a great job performing with good numbers stock,thats why so many people do it.i have a b16 in my car and do i think it's played out? nope,it doesnt matter to me how many people have it.hat matters is how fast its going to go and how well the motor works with it's counter parts.personally if you have ever driven a swapped car before i would stay away from a h22 or k series because you just might end up hurting some one else or your self.i have seen it too many times were kids do this swap and then think they are goddamn super man.either way good luck with your choice...pat

 

The issue is my opinion, not yours. I do not care if you like or don't like your B, I have many friends that love theirs. If you had paid attention to the previous posts that I have made, you would understand that I want something UNIQUE and different than a B series. This has nothing to do with my low opinion of you and your attitude, I am asking for technical expertise that apparently you are unwilling to share. Or it could simply be that you just don't know what I am asking for, and you are being a smartass because you want to waste my time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VegasEFHB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well, a B series is WAY played out as everybody I know that has an EF has one.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thats because EF's came with Bseries stock. I would think it would be played out if all the EF's you knew had a b16. As far as a sway for your ED, i think that a b16a is the best motor to do. simple instillation, very fun motor and very reliable. the first gen b16a had the pr3 head, one of the best flowing heads honda ever built.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VegasEFHB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The issue is my opinion, not yours. I do not care if you like or don't like your B, I have many friends that love theirs. If you had paid attention to the previous posts that I have made, you would understand that I want something UNIQUE and different than a B series. This has nothing to do with my low opinion of you and your attitude, I am asking for technical expertise that apparently you are unwilling to share. Or it could simply be that you just don't know what I am asking for, and you are being a smartass because you want to waste my time.</TD></TR></TABLE>honda and unique dont really go together.apperntly you dont want real advise so you can go **** your self for all i car,i will give you a little of what i know.you want a fast car get a b. if you even have to be asking these kind of questions kid then you your self dont have the skill to tackle a h22 swap.the best of luck to you.


Modified by PHOBIA at 12:19 AM 1/21/2005

 

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the first gen b16a had the pr3 head, one of the best flowing heads honda ever built. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The gen 2 (p30) is the unported mild version of the p73 head (type R)


Modified by elevated at 2:03 PM 1/20/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PHOBIA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you want unique and hond ararely go together.apperntly you dont want real advise so you can go **** your self for all i car,i gave you what i know.you want a fast car get a b. if you even have to be asking these kind of questions kid then you your self dont have the skill to tackle a h22 swap.the best of luck to you. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Grammar issues young one...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elevated &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The gen 2 (p30) is the unported mild version of the p73 head (type R)


Modified by elevated at 2:03 PM 1/20/2005</TD></TR></TABLE>

the jdm type r has the pr3-2 head dosent it? someone correct me if i am wrong but i am sure the "pr-3" was one of the best flowing head for hondas.

 

PHOBIA, I really appreciate your input, as it has made my day very entertaining. As far as your expertise is concerned, I think you should stick to legos and lincoln logs. You don't seem to understand that not everybody has brown matter between their ears like you do and doesn't particularly give a rat's *** what your ideal car is. Whether I do indeed decide to gen 1 B16 or not isn't truly your concern. My advice to you is, take a garden hose and tape one end to your "bumblebee in a coffee-can" muffler and put the other end in your mouth (don't forget to take deep breaths)! I reccomend doing this after you change your diaper, we don't want your mommy to clean up after you!

To anybody else that feels like being helpful, please let me know what advice you may have to offer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jcrookb16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the jdm type r has the pr3-2 head dosent it? someone correct me if i am wrong but i am sure the "pr-3" was one of the best flowing head for hondas.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The PR3 head/block is the same as the 99-2000 Si b16a6.

 

hi,
I respect what you're trying to do here, but it's not that simple. There are so many people doing honda mods that everything "productive" not requiring more skills than I have as a 16-year-old high school student has been done 100000 times. Your H22 would be cool, but obviously, trying to put an engine that's got almost 40% more displacement is not going to be a walk in the park. On the bright side, if you have time and a hole to burn in your wallet, you can do whatever you want.

hope that helps

 

well, my skills are a little more advance than High School auto shop, as that is where I learned the trade more than 10 years ago. I have rebuilt Camaros and Mustangs since then very successfully, this is simply my first dive into the HONDA universe. Creativity is the key, and if modifying the chassis for one particular engine is more effort and requires specific expertise than another, I would love the information and a little heads up. The only thing on this little project that I will not be doing is the body work, so any info you have is very welcome .

 

great info i should try that out.whats your trip.i was nice to you and yet you push it away.you dont even deserve to drive a goddamn honda, what ever judging by your lack of knowledge you have to ask these questions in the first place ui should look into buying a pinto.

 

Has anybody here ever attempted an H22 before? I think that is a much more effective question than useless banter between arguing members.

 

it sound like you have the h22 idea stuck in your head,so if your going to go with a h22 then i would use a tranny from a b16 https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1007484
there is a lot of seriouse engine bay modification's that need to be done to fit the motor in with out any rubbing issues,your most likely going to need to make your own mounts. im the guy in the link i posted and he can give you first hand experience.

 

the H22 in an ED chassis is only useful with a b-series transmission that you can bolt on with the assistance of an adaptor plate.

HASport has begun making mounts to put K blocks into these cars. That's something that hasn't been done often and (in my opinion) is better than an H swap for many reasons.

You can get a K20A for around $5500 including tranny. Those things are pushing 220HP as they are. And the way the engine goes in (looking opposite and backwards of d/b/h series) it's still possible to boost without tearing the chassis apart. It'll be tight, but it can be done. You want to be different and unique? It's not going to happen because it's pretty much all been done.

Wanna do something that hasn't ben done that much, try a boosted K swap. It'll ruin the competition and be very different.