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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 05:37 AM
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ok so if this is a ghey thread just delete it. . but i got up today thinking, wondering the opinions of the people on this site, and questioning the answer to this question:

ok so all things the same:

lets say i take 2 94 acura integras , but of the exact same weight (2300 each) , same engines, and everything both rebuilt motors one turboed and has lets say 300 WHP and tuned to rev to 9k rpms


then i take that 2nd integra and put an N/A motor in it did all the n/a tricks and made 300 WHP with it with a rpm limit of 9k as well (and same weight (2300 each), wheels, slicks, driver, Same everything)


so all things the same, with the same driver. . which one would come out on top in a drag race.

lets say in 100% perfect situations, everythign the same
and lets saying on a road course as well. . who would win
lets say perfect driver , the same driver for both cars


disclaimer, this is just a little thing i was pondering for the last while, please dont flame about. i know it would be hard to have a 300 WHP N/A car but lets just say in a perfect world.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:00 AM
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Default Re: all things the same turbo or n/a ? just a JUDGEMENT (jason bouchard)

Definetly the N/A teg! There is no lag. The power is imediate. Plus Imagine the but im not certain that its easier to get traction in all motor. Example. I know for a fact that all motor is quicker (lower e.t.) but turbo maybe faster (higher mph). I had an ls/vtec w/ 50 shot putting down ballpark 205-215. And I went 12.9@107. My buddy has turbo 280+whp hatch and he went 13.2 @112. Both our 60footers were 2.1-2.2. Also my other buddies hatch went 12.2 @ 119 on full slicks in 100 degree heat w/ 366 whp. Almost double the HP and only a little more than half a second quicker e.t.? NA is definetly best for e.t. compared to horsepower. Just look at skunk 2 9's!!!!!! With 315whp!!!!!
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:20 AM
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very good points, i cant wait till it stops snowing/ being soo fooking cold for the year haha

thanks for info, keep them coming everyone
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:22 AM
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Default Re: all things the same turbo or n/a ? just a JUDGEMENT (jerseykid609)

haha john i was hopeing you would chime in. . very good points as well....

speaking of tu tu tu turbo hows your race car ??

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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Definetly the N/A teg! There is no lag. The power is imediate. Plus Imagine the but im not certain that its easier to get traction in all motor. Example. I know for a fact that all motor is quicker (lower e.t.) but turbo maybe faster (higher mph). I had an ls/vtec w/ 50 shot putting down ballpark 205-215. And I went 12.9@107. My buddy has turbo 280+whp hatch and he went 13.2 @112. Both our 60footers were 2.1-2.2. Also my other buddies hatch went 12.2 @ 119 on full slicks in 100 degree heat w/ 366 whp. Almost double the HP and only a little more than half a second quicker e.t.? NA is definetly best for e.t. compared to horsepower. Just look at skunk 2 9's!!!!!! With 315whp!!!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>


I dont agree. because if both cars are making 300hp one with a power adder the other n/a that doesnt mean their powerband will be the same just because they both peak at 300hp. the turbo car is pretty much guranteed to continue making power up to redline, or at least make power longer, along with far more torque, now if we are talking about a street car where 99% of the time the turbo car will be heavier, have an oversized turbo, cheap suspension, and equally cheap tires then its anybodys race.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:29 AM
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sounds good . . i'll be on the side lines prob watching . . . maybe running , not in that class though haha
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:31 AM
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If everything is equal as in same weight, same slicks, both launching with a 2 step, hands down turbo will be faster and quicker.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 06:33 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont agree. because if both cars are making 300hp one with a power adder the other n/a that doesnt mean their powerband will be the same just because they both peak at 300hp. the turbo car is pretty much guranteed to continue making power up to redline, or at least make power longer, along with far more torque, now if we are talking about a street car where 99% of the time the turbo car will be heavier, have an oversized turbo, cheap suspension, and equally cheap tires then its anybodys race.</TD></TR></TABLE>


good points as well, they would both be street cars ( hence the high 2300 weight) both have same slicks and same drag sus. this is all in make believe because nothign can ever be the same/ same factors in real life
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Boostage &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If everything is equal as in same weight, same slicks, both launching with a 2 step, hands down turbo will be faster and quicker.</TD></TR></TABLE>


yea both 2 step ( neptune tuned) both same 93 oct gas and all i was thinking the turbo car might have prob with low end traction, but for both sides. . . . i love both and respect both sides as long as people are actually doing things to there cars

( i respect a modded car running 12's over a stock corvette running 12's ANY day, which goes without saying)
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:17 AM
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You could build the turbo car to make 300HP from 5K-9K rpm by using a smaller turbo with a lot of boost. The torque curve from the turbo car would destroy the N/A car's torque. You really wouldn't have to rev to 9K, and you wouldn't even have to do an expensive rebuild on the turbo motor, just a stock B18C with head gasket and head studs.
I'd have to go with the turbo car.
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:23 AM
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300whp with a gt28rs or something is alot differnt than 300whp with a t67...
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Old Jan 19, 2005 | 07:25 AM
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yea the turbo is a gt28rs haha good turbo
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