is anyone running IPS cams, or Toda cams. If so,do you have dyno numbers, also maybe 1/4 mile times. I also would like to know your driving impressions. Thanks.

 

has no one had experience with these?

 

ClubRSX has a ton of posts on the IPS cams. There are dyno charts of everthing there in the n/a forum.

 

thanks for the reply

 

We had dynographs up here, but you can't bump and the DC5 forum sucks on this board (all newbie bullshit) so they disappeared in the piles of dumb *** questions.

 

Just wait a few weeks and we should have a few more dyno plots to post up. Me and DC5Dawg are gonna try and get on the same dyno in a couple of weeks. Should be interesting.

And I'm going to the 1/4mi this Sunday to see what kind of improvement the K2's will make at the track.

 

keep me posted on track time and dyno's. thanks

 

Im highly interested in both the IPS cams + k-pro for $2000 bundle or the TODA cams + springs + reflash for $2350.

I like TODA because, obviously it's TODA, the dyno's show a 57.5 hp gain w/ their exhaust mani. and intake (itr int. mani recommended).

 

I used to be the same way, but you usually shouldn't believe a manufacturer's claims. Go look for the dyno comparison of the N2s and K2s on ClubRSX.

Oh, and that 57.5 hp was on a dynapack. The K2s made 18 whp more than the N2s on the same dynapack.

 

But K2s also require fully programmable ecu and higher compression pistons, right?

Oh never mind, mixed them up with different cams

 

I've got just enough for some serious cams and ecu. I still debating between the two.

N2 or K2?

N2 comes w/ valve springs. Has a 9k redline. 5k vtec under partical throttle, 3.9k at wot. It is a reflash so there is no tuning and expensive dyno time. Makes 229.4 whp on a dyna pack It is TODA so it quality. Reflash constricts you to I/H/E and cams until you get a programmable ECU. And it cost $2350 inc. shipping.

K2's cost $2000 for a bundle w/ cams and k-pro. You still need upgraded valve springs. Needs expensive dyno time for tuning. Makes something like 15-18 hp over toda "out of the box". And k-pro allows for retuning if you later upgrade.

I really can't decide.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S-fiend &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've got just enough for some serious cams and ecu. I still debating between the two.

N2 or K2?

N2 comes w/ valve springs. Has a 9k redline. 5k vtec under partical throttle, 3.9k at wot. It is a reflash so there is no tuning and expensive dyno time. Makes 229.4 whp on a dyna pack It is TODA so it quality. Reflash constricts you to I/H/E and cams until you get a programmable ECU. And it cost $2350 inc. shipping.

K2's cost $2000 for a bundle w/ cams and k-pro. You still need upgraded valve springs. Needs expensive dyno time for tuning. Makes something like 15-18 hp over toda "out of the box". And k-pro allows for retuning if you later upgrade.

I really can't decide.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are badly mistaken if you think the Toda setup won't need tuning.

In my eyes, there is no comparison between the two setups for these two reasons.

1. IPS makes more power. Hands down.
2. You get a freakin k-pro with IPS!!!!!


IPS

 

IPS are freak'n sweet but from what I been reading and they don't have a base map for the k-pro.

I don't have any good tuners around me. Except for one (still 45 mins away) but they're decent at best. I'd have to take a trip to the city for serious tuning.

I want to build the motor up as I go along. I can't justify blowing $10K out of my savings just to f@#k around.

Eventually I will have:
-K-pro
-Cams
-springs/retainers
-higher compression pistons
-connecting rods
-metal head gasket
-Quaife LSD/ITR FD
-engine mount bushings
(not including styling/suspension)

LSD and FD are first but in the summer I'll get the cams. By then they should have come up with at least a base map for the K-pro, right?

 

I would go toda. you just know it's quality. alot of people who try to cut corners in the beginning have to pay more in the end. so just do it right and you don't have to go back to it and worry.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by aznbo1626 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would go toda. you just know it's quality. alot of people who try to cut corners in the beginning have to pay more in the end. so just do it right and you don't have to go back to it and worry.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah pay more for an inferior product

When the hell are people gonna realize there is NOTHING special about Toda? It's just severely overpriced JDM bling.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S-fiend &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IPS are freak'n sweet but from what I been reading and they don't have a base map for the k-pro.

... but in the summer I'll get the cams. By then they should have come up with at least a base map for the K-pro, right?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did you get this misinformation? We have four IPS-K2 K-Pro calibrations:

12/14/2004 05:15 PM 65,055 k20a2-rsx-ips-k2-coldair.kal
12/14/2004 05:15 PM 42,661 k20a2-rsx-ips-k2-header-cai.kal
12/14/2004 05:16 PM 42,704 k20a2-rsx-ips-k2-header.kal
12/14/2004 05:15 PM 61,817 k20a2-rsx-ips-k2.kal

-Ron

 

oh... sweet! I was reading up on clubrsx but the forum was like a year old or something.

I want to get an estimated time it would take to completely tune the k-pro for K2's. At a good shop how many pulls or hours of dyno time will it take to tune the living crap out of it?

 

The base maps are a very good head start. It will depend on the tuner's proficiency with k-pro and k-series tuning in general.

Lube and Dawg here will provide firsthand accounts once they've tuned for their individual setups.

Thanks for the interest and support!

-Ron

 

Well thanks for the updated info

 

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I don't have any good tuners around me. Except for one (still 45 mins away) but they're decent at best. I'd have to take a trip to the city for serious tuning.

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This is the main thing holding me back from getting these cams. There are no reputubale Tuners/Installer's in New Jersey. I had to take my car to Philly to get my type-r cams put in.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S-fiend &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've got just enough for some serious cams and ecu. I still debating between the two.

N2 or K2?

N2 comes w/ valve springs. Has a 9k redline. 5k vtec under partical throttle, 3.9k at wot. It is a reflash so there is no tuning and expensive dyno time. Makes 229.4 whp on a dyna pack It is TODA so it quality. Reflash constricts you to I/H/E and cams until you get a programmable ECU. And it cost $2350 inc. shipping.

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I really feel that TODA dropped the ball on the K20 motors when they made cams for the car. People think that the TODA Cam Kit for the RSX is great because they say with the cams and I/H/E that you get 57 more WHP. Also people remember how TODA cams perform on the B-series engines. Now when you talking B-Series motors i say there's nothing better than TODA hands down. I had a set of TODa B's on my DC2 and the car was beast. They were very aggressive and they made the car feel good. And most people here have had some experience with toda cams on a b-series and we all know it great. Thats why some of us on here will swear by TODA for the RSX and we haven't even tried the cams in our cars. We just know from past experiences.

Now i have had the oppertunity to drive an RSX with the TODA N2 Kit. And i WASN'T even impressed. My car with just type-r cams felt like it had more pull than the car with the TODA's.
Most of us expect the Toda N2 cams to roar and beast like the toda cams in b-series motors.
Whoever expects this is sadly mistaken. When it comes to Cams in the K-series motor TODA dropped the ball.

 

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I really feel that TODA dropped the ball on the K20 motors when they made cams for the car. People think that the TODA Cam Kit for the RSX is great because they say with the cams and I/H/E that you get 57 more WHP. Also people remember how TODA cams perform on the B-series engines. Now when you talking B-Series motors i say there's nothing better than TODA hands down. I had a set of TODa B's on my DC2 and the car was beast. They were very aggressive and they made the car feel good. And most people here have had some experience with toda cams on a b-series and we all know it great. Thats why some of us on here will swear by TODA for the RSX and we haven't even tried the cams in our cars. We just know from past experiences.

Now i have had the oppertunity to drive an RSX with the TODA N2 Kit. And i WASN'T even impressed. My car with just type-r cams felt like it had more pull than the car with the TODA's.
Most of us expect the Toda N2 cams to roar and beast like the toda cams in b-series motors.
Whoever expects this is sadly mistaken. When it comes to Cams in the K-series motor TODA dropped the ball.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Toda's b-series cams aren't impressive either . Look at JUN,Buddy Club, or Dynamic powered cars. They own Toda.

 

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This is the main thing holding me back from getting these cams. There are no reputubale Tuners/Installer's in New Jersey. I had to take my car to Philly to get my type-r cams put in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you are mechanically inclined at all and you think you and a friend could do the install, me or DC5Dawg can lend you any advice you need with the install. Feel free to ask us anything.

If you don't think you can do it, just start looking for some locals that have experience doing cams swaps in Honda's. I'm sure you can find someone that will be willing to help.

As far as tuning the car goes, the base map really is good. But by the time you get a set of K2's and have them installed, there should be a pretty good amount of maps out there that you could try

 

I can install the actual cams + retainers w/ my buddy. I just can't tune 'em. Or at least well.

Thats why a reflash sounds better to me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by S-fiend &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I can install the actual cams + retainers w/ my buddy. I just can't tune 'em. Or at least well.

Thats why a reflash sounds better to me </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well either way, if you just use the base calibration provided for Toda or IPS, or if you fully tune either setup, IPS will make more power