i searched and couldnt really find the answer i was looking for. but i am looking to purchase a teg soon here and i do have the funds to turbo this eventually. but i was just wondering if the ls is a better motor for turbo or should i up to a gsr. i know gsrs are a bit more money to buy and wondering if it is really worth it? thanks.

 

I would say turbo the GSR. The GSR has a slightly stronger block than the LS. I know it has stronger rods. It also has oil squirters to cool the pistons. You'll be happier in the long run with a GSR motor.

 

gsr all the way if you have money.
although both motors are very nice in there own ways.....in the end, the c1 will
have more potential than the ls motor. pound for pound, assuming the same setup, the c1 will be faster than the ls.

 

welcome to the integra community when you get an integra....but remember one thing...theives are everywhere...so if you do get a GSR make sure you put it in your garage....or get alot of layers of security....

 

yeah....thanks guys. i test drove a gsr the other day and loved it but is was just a bit out of my price range. but i do plan on garaging it too. thanks.

 

if you cant afford the gsr the ls is still an awesome engine too boost.
just not as good as the gsr

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -iLLuZioN-B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you cant afford the gsr the ls is still an awesome engine too boost.
just not as good as the gsr </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you can't afford a GSR, then you probably can't afford boosting. That said turboing an Integra seems kind of pointless...but that's just crazy me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by OneDirection &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you can't afford a GSR, then you probably can't afford boosting. That said turboing an Integra seems kind of pointless...but that's just crazy me </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by koucex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i am looking to purchase a teg soon here and i do have the funds to turbo this eventually. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i was just saying that if he cant afford the gsr now then just go with an ls b/c either way both will be a blast to drive once boosted which he says he will have funds for LATER

 

eveybody says gsr and i kinda agree, it is a better motor because it does have oil squirters and its v-tec. but..... the ls has lower compression and u can boost the stock ls more and its safer than the gsr, thats if ur looking to keep stock internals. personnaly i have an ls and i ran 10 pounds of boost daily w/only a walbro pump and an fmu. not too long ago i fully built my bottom end and w/27 psi i made 509 whp and 410 torque at thew wheels. i am very happy w/ it and its cheaper to buy.

 

i will go LS-T all the way. less compressed engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lsturbotegbb250 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">eveybody says gsr and i kinda agree, it is a better motor because it does have oil squirters and its v-tec. but..... the ls has lower compression and u can boost the stock ls more and its safer than the gsr, thats if ur looking to keep stock internals. personnaly i have an ls and i ran 10 pounds of boost daily w/only a walbro pump and an fmu. not too long ago i fully built my bottom end and w/27 psi i made 509 whp and 410 torque at thew wheels. i am very happy w/ it and its cheaper to buy. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You made 509 hp @ 27 psi with an FMU?

 

there are pros and cons.
LS
cheaper insurance
cheap parts (if you break something)
Not a theif magnet
cheaper to purchase

GSR
faster mod for mod
better tranny

Damn I should be able to think of more PROS for the gsr

 

i'd say go LS-T

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b0b0o7o7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say turbo the GSR. The GSR has a slightly stronger block than the LS. I know it has stronger rods. It also has oil squirters to cool the pistons. You'll be happier in the long run with a GSR motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

GSR rods aren't stronger.

It all depends on how crazy you want to go with a turbo setup. If you want to do the average "bolt on kit", then the GSR will yield more power. If you want to go all out and build your motor, then it doesn't really matter much what you get. Sure the GSR has Vtec, but with the LS, you can get some pretty aggressive cams to counter that as well.

So basically......
Turboing stock motor = get a GSR
Going all out and building your motor for a high boost application = doesn't matter, all the same basically. Those oil squirters and Vtec aren't going to make a huge difference at 15+ psi and 400 or more horsepower.

 

i say jdm b18c with smaller turbo and have a vtec controller so the secound you hit max boost vtec kicks in turbo vtec all the way baby

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WideBody ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i say jdm b18c with smaller turbo and have a vtec controller so the secound you hit max boost vtec kicks in turbo vtec all the way baby </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hehe....I'm not sure if you're joking or not.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b0b0o7o7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say turbo the GSR. The GSR has a slightly stronger block than the LS. I know it has stronger rods. It also has oil squirters to cool the pistons. You'll be happier in the long run with a GSR motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i thought oil squirt was only on b18c5...?

however for the turbo project.. i'd boost a ls intead of the gsr..

reason is torque.

(oh this should be fun)

 

well thanks guys. i guess my only other question is if vtec on the gsr is really that big of a power gain. i will be upgrading the internals on either engine i get.

how much extra torque am i looking to get versus a gsr

does anyone have a pic of ls engine? turbo pref.


Modified by koucex at 10:28 PM 1/16/2005

 

no dude aem ems, didnt mention but thought people would take in to consideration that if u spend thousands building ur block ur gonna get a manegment sys. too. and any thing else u need to get to make power.

 

Wow...im happy with the car i got. Hope to turbo it in the future after i Learn the basics.

 

I say GSR-T just because the cranks are made better, the rods are stronger, but if your gonna build the motor i would still go with the GSR just because the head will flow a hell of a lot better than the LS head. Now with the LS motor you can always put a B16 head on there later as well if you did want a better flowing head with VTEC. Its all about which way you want to go, either way both motors with turbos are gonna be hella fun!

 

the AEM EMS sucks, if your gonna do stand alone then Autronic is what I would go with. My friends built Type R didnt ever run right after dyno tuning numerous times with the AEM EMS, so he sold it and got the Autronic and its doing great now.

 

Like already stated either way you'll have a blast, but imo an LS has more advantages:

Torque
Lower compression so there's more room for error.
Cheaper price
and Torque


Of course then there's that rumored LS tranny that I'm told has long gears but I wouldn't know because I've never driven an ls tranny before. Basically though the money you saved by buying the ls could be put towards a tranny and porting the head for better flow. But even without porting the head you'll still make good numbers on it.

Either way though both will be fun and it ulitmatley comes down to what you want.

 

thanks guys....i think i am going to do the path of the ls...but i was also wondering. how much hp does a lsvtec put down. and also a turbo lsvtec too? thanks all.

 

I would say ls-T all the way. Ls will be cheaper than the gs-r, lower compression, and i would think that the ls's longer gears would be perfect for turbo since you would never run out of boost basically. no curves or spikes in horsepower or torque and, from what i've read, the ls head actually has more flow than the b18c or b16. also the ls block is thicker than the gs-r making it stronger. in my opinion, ls-T has many more advantages.