mine are cool


Modified by carbing'ed at 8:30 PM 1/26/2005

 

hahah..come on man..lugnuts are not gonna give u less 1/4 miles..

i think its doesnt matter..just make sure they are for ur rims..diff lugnuts = diff design..

 

You will never notice the weight difference - especially if your car is not a stripped-out race car. After saying that, check out the Daiyama lug nuts. Very nice and very, very light.

 

yeah they are conical for mating with non oem wheels.

but i was reading some stuff earlier that if more wieght is added towards the middle of the hub/wheel accelleration could be affected. not much but will. like umm the heavier the wheel the more power is taken from the wheel?

is this true? wtf was mugen thinking when they made these heavy lugs

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah they are conical for mating with non oem wheels.

but i was reading some stuff earlier that if more wieght is added towards the middle of the hub/wheel accelleration could be affected. not much but will. like umm the heavier the wheel the more power is taken from the wheel?

is this true? wtf was mugen thinking when they made these heavy lugs </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, it will make a difference (a very, very small one). If you are a race team looking for the hundreth of a second you would worry about the weight of your lugs for sure.

 

alright cool

lots of wisdom here

 

i bought my mugen over the rays because rays are too popular leaving the thieves with keys.

 

oh yah another good reason!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nightrider &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i bought my mugen over the rays because rays are too popular leaving the thieves with keys. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

If the theif wants to spend the money for the Rays keys hes going to have to get at least 5 sets, assuming he gets ALL different sets... the keys ARE different. I had a set of Mugens, they were heavy, scratched easily and not worth it.

 

I do believe the Mugen lug nuts are made out of steel while all of the other super light ones are out of aluminum. Anybody that has experience with aluminum fasteners can advise on which material is better for use on a daily driven vehicle... If you're chasing down every last tenth around a race track and have gobs of money, use the Al nuts, otherwise, stick with the steel ones.

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George

 

Thousdands upon thousdands of people use aluminum aftermarket lugnuts and have absolutely no problem. Its not your normal aluminum fastner...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If the theif wants to spend the money for the Rays keys hes going to have to get at least 5 sets, assuming he gets ALL different sets... the keys ARE different. I had a set of Mugens, they were heavy, scratched easily and not worth it. </TD></TR></TABLE>


there are different sets?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


there are different sets?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Rays keys are different, yes. There wouldnt be much of a point if all the keys were the same would there? Ive had a friend and a retailer of these confirm this.

 

is this the same with mugen lugnuts? nor no

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">, i noticed how much heavier they were compared to my rays lugnuts. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Aluminum vs Steel, also Anodized finish vs Powdercoating. The Mugen ones will take a bit more abuse in the long run.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but i was reading some stuff earlier that if more wieght is added towards the middle of the hub/wheel accelleration could be affected. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The closer to the center of the spinning object the weight is the easier it is to spin, its the father out it gets that slows it down.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by carbing’ed &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> there are different sets?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Rays has six different keys (at least last time I checked)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thousdands upon thousdands of people use aluminum aftermarket lugnuts and have absolutely no problem. Its not your normal aluminum fastner... </TD></TR></TABLE>

Aluminum wears alot quicker than the steel and is alot easier to strip the threads.
Thousands of people put conical style aftermarket lugs on OEM wheels that should be using an Acorn style lug, doesn't make it the best or smartest thing to do

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Thousands of people put conical style aftermarket lugs on OEM wheels that should be using an Acorn style lug</TD></TR></TABLE>

Obviously thats not what we're talking about here... Used correctly, which means on the right type of wheel, not using an impact wrench...

 

My point was that thousands of people can do something or use something it doesn't mean its the smartest or best choice.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KOALA YUMMIES &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thousdands upon thousdands of people use aluminum aftermarket lugnuts and have absolutely no problem. Its not your normal aluminum fastner... </TD></TR></TABLE>


Also I know plenty pf people who use aluminum lug nuts on a daily basis and have plenty of problems, lugs stripping, rounding, seizing to the Lug. Varying in price from the cheap $45 lug sets to the $145 sets. Granted this isn't right off the bat but after a year or so of good use, changing rims back and forth etc.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Aluminum vs Steel, also Anodized finish vs Powdercoating. The Mugen ones will take a bit more abuse in the long run.</TD></TR></TABLE>

only used my mugen lug nuts that i purchased from mike a few times, but looks the same to me. i honestly don't care for the extra couple pounds.

 

I use whatever came with the wheels.

All of them are shiny heavy things. They all get nicked, banged around and rust after repeated abuse. I see no reason to spend $$$ for a looks item that will get abused as such.

And yes for just about everyone in this forum LW Rays or Mugen lugnuts are a looks item pure and simple.

To each his own, just don't lie to yourselves when you spend more money than you really need to.

cheers

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Also I know plenty pf people who use aluminum lug nuts on a daily basis and have plenty of problems, lugs stripping, rounding, seizing to the Lug. Varying in price from the cheap $45 lug sets to the $145 sets. Granted this isn't right off the bat but after a year or so of good use, changing rims back and forth etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok everyone who uses them is screwed.

Im not going to argue over something this stupid.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The closer to the center of the spinning object the weight is the easier it is to spin, its the father out it gets that slows it down.</TD></TR></TABLE>

from an equation/engineering perspective, the moment of inertia (i.e. rotational inertia) of an object(s) is proportional to the square of the radius.

i=a(y^2)

i=moment of inertia
a=area (or related to mass/weight)
y=disance of object from axis of rotation

all in all, if mass is moved further away from its rotation axis, the increase in rotational inertia is exponential.

if anything, the more critical factor is the addtion (in this case a reduction) of "unsprung weight" added to the wheels/suspension. it's NOT the minimal addition of "rotational weight". hence the desire to get lightweight wheels. although the "rotational weight" is decreased with lightweight wheels, it is the reduction of "unsprung weight" that is mostly realized.

kepani

 

Daiyama lugnuts, very light.

PM BlueR about them.