ok ive tried searching this topic for a while now, and keep getting the same dam answers over and over...thus 2 oposit same answers....yes and no basically...

im considering this on my lude because ive heard of weak " everything to do with the sterring" on a lude...now is this true ... i have no idea..i havent been an owner for that long but for those who are like me and really love the look of a dropped lude you might wanna concider....or not...

at first, i was thinking of some coilovers...now for me personaly, im not going for a race setup or anything...i'm not hardcore like many here, but i like a nice looking car...not that i wanna cut coners, but i dont see the point on spending a few k$ on a crazy suspension setup...so therefor i dont think adjustables are for me...
now im thinking about a spring that will give me a good dropp i have some eibach's right now and im not too in love with the dropp...

anyway to get back to my point.... ive been hearing from alot of people that you dont necessarilly have to go with a Camber kit....and ive been hearing the... even though your lowered 1/2 an inch..... preludes arent so reliable and everything will break...if you dont get one

now im hoping once and for all someone can stear me clear on this one...
i know im going to be told well if you have the $$ do it type thing and if you dont wanna use up tires in one summer do it....but i guess you get the point of my question
thanks

 

i dropped the front of my 5th gen an 1.5'' and the inside of my tires were worn to the metal within 5000 miles

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude_roller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dropped the front of my 5th gen an 1.5'' and the inside of my tires were worn to the metal within 5000 miles</TD></TR></TABLE>
but except for tire use...is there anything else that ludes are weak on?
i mean let forget tires and look at bushings. ball joints, axles etc etc

EDIT: not sayign that ludes are weak on tire use , for those who might of interpret it that way

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lude_roller &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dropped the front of my 5th gen an 1.5'' and the inside of my tires were worn to the metal within 5000 miles</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats because your toe was whacked out; toe eats tires, not camber.

Camber kit + lowering a car = going 'round in circles.

When are people going to , finally, think this through?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

hmmm camber won't wear tires? Some people obviously don't even know what camber is. Camber is the angle of the wheel when you look at it from the front of the car. If the camber is negative it will wear the INSIDE of the tire. Many times after lowering the camber will be different from the left side to the right...when this happens the car will handle like complete crap and isn't really safe to drive because its unpredictable. Just because some mechanic at the shop around the corner aligns the car to "within factory spec" doesn't mean it's properly aligned....
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Explain to me please, how the local yahoo, adjusts camber on a car that's been lower with non-ride height adjustable suspension or camber plates? That's right, he can't.

I have -2 deg of neg camber all around and my tires wear just fine? Why is that prey-tell? Becuase I don't have 100000000" of toe out, on account of **** alignment. I've been running my car like this for years, and I've experienced reasonable tire wear and even wear on the 20 or so sets of tires I've run in the last 5 years. (Save for the Yoko ES100s, which were crap anyway.)

You lower a car, to lower its center of gravity, and to induce more static negative camber, because this aids in cornering - why on earth you lower a car, only to re-engineer it to have 1/2 the positive attributes of a lowered ride height is beyond me.

The only time I'd suggest using a camber kit, would be for added neg camber, when you're not achieving enough at your personal, optima ride height.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you install a camber kit when you lower you will able to keep the geometry of the car's suspension as close to the factory (proper) specs as possible and therefore you won't need to ask questions like "what are the lude's weak on" ect... Improper toe adjustment will indeed cause tire wear but that's the easiest part to an alignment for any shop to perform....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Say what?

Most alignment shops leave you with toe adjustments that suck, or just don't hold.

Oh, and this statement, totally contradicts your statement above. Wanna rethink your "point"?

Which is it then? Camber or toe? Camber or toe?

Or, did you just agree to disagree as predicate to type something?

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Yeah. I'm laughing.


Modified by bb6h22a at 11:22 AM 1/7/2005

 

to chip in:

camber may add some wear to tires, but by and large the major killer of tires is toe. With vigilant rotation your tires should last you a good amount of time with camber settings in the ~-2.5 to 0 range.

The reason why people think lowering a car kills their tires is because half the time these kids don't get an alignment. and even when they do the alignment tech's do a half *** job.

as far as whether you should get a camber kit, it depends on how much money you think it's worth to be able to adjust your camber. at a 1.5" drop you'll have somewhere along the order of -1 to -2 degrees of camber. not a big deal with regards to tire wear. The only reason i want a camber kit is like bb6h22a said, to add more negative camber, say roughly -3.5 degrees and have a consistent L-R camber setting and also be able to tune camber F to R to affect vehicle dynamics.

preludes aren't unreliable. as far as the suspension goes, it has a few weak points: ball joints, whatever causes shock knock, and CV boots. Still, plenty of cars have the same problems or worse.

whatever the case whoever said lowering a car .5" without a camber kit will destroy it needs to lay off the crack.

 

lol i guess hte .5 lowering thing was figure of speech...
but im happy i asked the question, this is the first time i get this type of answer...
now im not too sure what toe is all about ill try searching that a little later..
but for someone who just wants a lowered car...and yess that will corner well...
you guys suggest staying away from the camber kit...or unless i wanna camber more...anyway that pretty much how i resume it..and i like it..
thanks all

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yes, that was my point....
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What was your point? That camber causes wear, or that toe causes wear, or that little green elves sit under our cars and nibble on the tires?

Becuase throughout all your typing, I still can't resolve the bullshit, from the nonsense to make out anything resembling a "point."

Keep typing though, maybe you'll have a catchechism or an epiphany and through all your contradictions and generalizations, you'll be able to actually say something resembling a worthwhile "point" regarding a topic you obviously have less than zero, real world experience with.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">20 sets of tires in 5 years is quite "reasonable" yes...your sig
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You're a twit.

20 sets because I attend up to 12 track days / year.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Improper camber AND improper toe adjustments will cause tire wear....it's not a hard concept to grasp and there was no contradiction. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless you're running -3 degrees of static camber or more, camber's contribution to wear is so small that it's inabmisable. Most street driven cars don't have anywhere near that much camber, so the consideration of camber, to be a major component of premature wear is moot. And even then, most people still turn their cars, which places a dynamic load on the wheels, changing their dynamic camber.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but lowering with no camber adjustments will generally attribute to premature tire-wear for every-day street use in my opinion...</TD></TR></TABLE>

There you go again making generalized nonsense statments trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

You're wrong and your opinions are ignorant.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so if you can afford to buy 16 tires per year for your car them by all means go ahead bud, I'll watch out for you on those on-ramps....I'm out </TD></TR></TABLE>

"Bud"? Ooohh. What're you 12?

Watch out for me on on-ramps? WTF for?

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I just re-read my sig too, I guess I never learn , or you must be a cleaver moron guised as an inquisitive idiot .




Modified by bb6h22a at 4:56 PM 1/7/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chase &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but lowering with no camber adjustments will generally attribute to premature tire-wear for every-day street use in my opinion...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not according to my experience. As long as your toe is zero front and rear, even with -2.5 degrees of camber you can still get quite a bit of mileages out of the tires. Just rotate your tires a little more often.

I've said this many times, when my Prelude was lowered 3" (cambers were about -2.5 degrees) and running on 225/40/18 tires (the earlier Falken GR-Beta), I was able to get about 36k miles out of them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vwong &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Not according to my experience. As long as your toe is zero front and rear, even with -2.5 degrees of camber you can still get quite a bit of mileages out of the tires. Just rotate your tires a little more often.

I've said this many times, when my Prelude was lowered 3" (cambers were about -2.5 degrees) and running on 225/40/18 tires (the earlier Falken GR-Beta), I was able to get about 36k miles out of them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thank you.

Although he'll probably come back and say that there's a gross conspiracy about the elves eating away our tires, and thay we're paid by them to not say anything.

The next Micheal Moore in our midst.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bad-monkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to chip in:

camber may add some wear to tires, but by and large the major killer of tires is toe. With vigilant rotation your tires should last you a good amount of time with camber settings in the ~-2.5 to 0 range.

The reason why people think lowering a car kills their tires is because half the time these kids don't get an alignment. and even when they do the alignment tech's do a half *** job.

as far as whether you should get a camber kit, it depends on how much money you think it's worth to be able to adjust your camber. at a 1.5" drop you'll have somewhere along the order of -1 to -2 degrees of camber. not a big deal with regards to tire wear. The only reason i want a camber kit is like bb6h22a said, to add more negative camber, say roughly -3.5 degrees and have a consistent L-R camber setting and also be able to tune camber F to R to affect vehicle dynamics.

preludes aren't unreliable. as far as the suspension goes, it has a few weak points: ball joints, whatever causes shock knock, and CV boots. Still, plenty of cars have the same problems or worse.

whatever the case whoever said lowering a car .5" without a camber kit will destroy it needs to lay off the crack.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you never cease to amaze me when making a technical post.

your information =

thank you for teaching me something new every time you post.

 

i just bought a set of sprint springs for my lude..its a 2" drop i belive. in this extreme case (the 2" drop) would you need to get a camber kit or would a good alignment do the trix?