I have a 92 civic hatch with koni yellows, ground control coilsovers, and the GC extended top hats droped around 2-2.5inches, I will need a camber kit soon. From all the research I heard skunk2 balljoints can go bad, and other ones simply makes noise after awhile. I want a kit thats reliable(not something that loosens up the adjustments over time or make noises.) I heard Ingalls are pretty good? But I would prefer them to be easily adjust since i might change ride heights through certain times. I also would need the rear one as well. What top kits would everyone reccomend? thanks

 

Why do you want a camber kit?

An alignment to set to toe is all you need.

 

Well Ingalls are good quality products. You probably would need a camber kit since you lowered the vehicle so much. If you decide to purchase Ingalls, I am a dealer for Ingalls. Contact me and I can get you set up with what you need.

-Leila

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbochic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You probably would need a camber kit since you lowered the vehicle so much. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No!

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Well yes you would want to adjust the toe, but if you have lowered your vehicle over 2" then it is recomended to adjust the camber. At about 2" or so, you may have about 1 or more degree of negative camber.
Ingalls has kits that range from 3/4 degree to 3 degrees of adjustabilty

 

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recommended by whom? the people that want you to buy their camber kit products?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At about 2" or so, you may have about 1 or more degree of negative camber.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You will have more than that, and anything less than 2.5-3 deg of negative camber will not cause any adverse tire wear - when you change camber, you change toe - and excessive toe is what kills tires not the camber. But most do not separate the two, and buying a camber kit to get back to ~1 deg of neg camber (factory spec) is a waste of money.

 

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buying a camber kit to get back to ~1 deg of neg camber (factory spec) is a waste of money.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not if you drag race.

 

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Not if you drag race.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good point.

 

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You will have more than that, and anything less than 2.5-3 deg of negative camber will not cause any adverse tire wear - when you change camber, you change toe - and excessive toe is what kills tires not the camber. But most do not separate the two, and buying a camber kit to get back to ~1 deg of neg camber (factory spec) is a waste of money.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Toe does kill the tires I agree but having high negative camber will literally wear the inside tire ridiculously quick also. Anything less that 1.5 in the rear is acceptable but more than that will affect tire wear. Lets not even get to the fronts as they need no more than negative 1 degree. That is unless you're autocrossing or circuit racing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrettyLude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">having high negative camber will literally wear the inside tire ridiculously quick also. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No it will not! If your toe is in spec (i.e. zero) you will not have any wear problems.

 

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No it will not! If your toe is in spec (i.e. zero) you will not have any wear problems.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i will attest to that as well.

you all who think you need a camber kit after a 1" drop have been duped by the industry. you just need an alignment. with -2.5" camber and 1/16" toe out, i get prefectly fine tire wear. i have old street driven azenis to prove it.

 

kinda off of this point but i'm probably gonna end up getting one because honda does not sell the upper ball joints. how can you not sell ball joints??

i'll probably leave the camber alone but at least i can replace my ball joints if i ever need to again.

 

eh sorry wasn't paying attention to my topic, so someone reccomends ingalls? anyone else? So who ever said a camber kit doesen't help save tire wear, the wear on the inside edges are mainly caused by toe? I dont think the toe can wear out just the inside, it has to be a combination of both toe and camber. I'm getting an full alignment done anyways so I want possibliy good wear, so i might as well get an camber kit while im at it, also saves the life of wheel bearings. thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HKSone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So who ever said a camber kit doesen't help save tire wear, the wear on the inside edges are mainly caused by toe? I dont think the toe can wear out just the inside, it has to be a combination of both toe and camber. I'm getting an full alignment done anyways so I want possibliy good wear, so i might as well get an camber kit while im at it, also saves the life of wheel bearings. thanks
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Wow... someone's been giving you the wrong info. Camber does not wear tires like toe does - toe will cause the tires to scrub b/c they are not pointed straight anymore and are dragged along on the inside edge and they will get destroyed very quickly. It is absolutely not a combonation of both.

This also has nothing to do with the wheel bearings. But its your $$, have at it.

 

Listen to .RJ cause I think he knows his shizznit.

but if you don't want to listen and still want a camber kit...

I recommend the Omin-Camber kit since I have that and it is uber nice

 

he is right, i had a 98 civic coupe, all riced with the body kit and every thing..had it lowerd 2.25 inches..bought the camber kit and still killed tires, not as quick but in time.. same results. i never had the car lined up. (body kit was too low) after i wrecked the car i took the kit off and lined the car up. never ate the tires again..sold the car with out the camber kit to a friend and he has it lined up every 5,000 miles still has no problem with tires.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 5200BB6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he is right, i had a 98 civic coupe, all riced with the body kit and every thing..had it lowerd 2.25 inches..bought the camber kit and still killed tires, not as quick but in time.. same results. i never had the car lined up. (body kit was too low) after i wrecked the car i took the kit off and lined the car up. never ate the tires again..sold the car with out the camber kit to a friend and he has it lined up every 5,000 miles still has no problem with tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>

someone give this man a door prize!

 

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someone give this man a door prize! </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeh give me some wrenches or somthing

 

heres another testimony from someone else who actually got their car aligned.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboTagTeam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u dont need a camber kit. Just get an alighnment and you will be fine. Camber dosent kill tires, toe kills tires. My coupe is dropped 2.5 inches and iv had no increased tire wear, and im running azenis. But before i got an alighnment i went threw a brand new set of front tires in a mounth!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Ok then…what’s the answer if you've done all the above and you are still wearing the inside of your tires prematurely. I have a ’00 Type R setting on 17” Volks with Comtech sport springs = about a 3/4”drop. Current camber measurements are within the factory specs LF -0.8 degrees RF – 1.4 degrees LR -1.0 degrees RR -1.7 degrees. (factory spec. -1.5/+0.5) Current toe measurements are not in spec. LF - .13 degrees RF - 0.11 degrees (factory Spec. +/-0.08)
Two different shops are telling me this is the best adjustment they can get out of my car and the camber is the main problem. What gives??? Is this a case of Dumbtechitis’? I would just like an educated answer before I spend another dollar on new rubber. And for the record, I do agree that a camber kit may not be the way to go, or Honda would have installed them from factory.

So with all this said, are there any thoughts on what to try next, besides driving my car to another state for a third opinion.

Thanks,
JL

 

Those toe settings are way out of spec - thats 1/4" of toe out per side if not more.

They suck at alignment, there's plenty of adjustment in that.

 

some more testimony.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integraver &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">someone also said that toe-in eats ur tires MORE than the camber ?

i agree 100%.. i have seens friends with -2 camber and they got the car aligned and there was NO problem what so ever..
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.RJ knows what he is talking about.

I dropped my eg 2.25" drop on new rubber and all I did was for camber was the washer trick for the rear and got alignment to fix the toe and I drove the car 15,000 miles rotating them every 5000 miles and there is even wear on all tires. I went thru a set before with out gettign an alignment and my tires were ate up before 5000 miles.

 

maybe rj is right but, i still want one anyways, any of you have problems with the skunk2 or omni replacement arms? If lowered too much does the arms hit the fender? And for the rear, which adjustble kit is more reliable the ones from ingalls or spc?(does adjustment bolts get stucked etc,.) and should i get them with the poly or rubber bushings.. thanks

 

whats going on every one??

well my car been lowered seince 96 i learned alot from it being lowered for all those yrs. i have a set of honda sport spring witch is a 1.8 drop but the car settled past 2"but after the car was lowered i did get an alignment.. the only time i mess with the alignment on the car is when i get a new set of wheels and tires that is cause i go yrs with out getting one witch i do not need it. every set of tires i had i got 30k or more out of them cause i did one thing to the tires i rotated them every 3000 mile with every oil change. now with the new set up i am working on for my car i going to need a camber kit plus i am going to be doing road racing on the weekend.....

well hope this help out for some of you!!!!