whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA
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whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA
Im building a full only track road Integra. I printed out the rules for both NASA and SCCA. The rules are a little bit different. This may cause a debate, but what one is better in SoCal? HondaCup or HondaChallange? 
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (greasemonkeysteve)
the advice ive been given is that theres not a big IT field in calclub, unlike norcal. most of the hondas are in HC, especially H4. but personally, id build to fit for both classes.
if youre building for hondacup, i dont think it has even started yet. HC after 2 years seems to have been fairly planted for the long run.
if youre building for hondacup, i dont think it has even started yet. HC after 2 years seems to have been fairly planted for the long run.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (greasemonkeysteve)
Honda Cup has not begun so you can't really determine which is better. And it depends on what class you will be racing. Honda Challenge offers more class options for different cars while Honda Cup seems to cater to top end models and hybrids.
You should go to Honda Cup and Honda Challenge races and talk to some of the competitors, then decide which suits you best.
My personal opinion is that Honda Cup takes Honda club racing to the next level. Whether this is good for the competitors has yet to be established. More exposure for instance is good. But it also means the competition may be more intense and costs could escalate.
Right now it looks like both series will have decent fields and both a good place to race a Honda.
You should go to Honda Cup and Honda Challenge races and talk to some of the competitors, then decide which suits you best.
My personal opinion is that Honda Cup takes Honda club racing to the next level. Whether this is good for the competitors has yet to be established. More exposure for instance is good. But it also means the competition may be more intense and costs could escalate.
Right now it looks like both series will have decent fields and both a good place to race a Honda.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (greasemonkeysteve)
As one of the organizers of the new SCCA "Honda Cup" and a former competitor in NASA "Honda Challenge" I would strongly advise that if you have not raced at least at H1 level before... You should definitely go with "NASA Honda Challenge"
They certainly have a lot more Class Options for Honda's and it's far more suited to those who want to run on a Club Level budget.
Honda Cup was designed (a) To allow for engines to be built stronger for more reliability (b) To cater for the top end H1 cars and beyond. and (c) as a class that would be the final step up before going to a full blown Pro Series such as World Challenge or Grand Am.
We are not saying that it will be cheaper to run in Honda Cup. But we are saying that engines should last longer... Time will tell.
Honda Cup also seems to be attracting a lot more Sponsor appeal, and even international attention, possibly because we are raising the bar so to speak?
Personally I don't want to see the SCCA/NASA become a them and us thing...
There are plenty competitors to have good fields in both series, depending on how far you want to go.
Apart from engine internals and some aerodynamic freedoms the Honda Cup cars are probably not going to be much faster than a good H1 car? So there is the ability for Honda Challenge guys to build a good strong engine and run it in "Honda Cup" occasionally.
Kiwi
They certainly have a lot more Class Options for Honda's and it's far more suited to those who want to run on a Club Level budget.
Honda Cup was designed (a) To allow for engines to be built stronger for more reliability (b) To cater for the top end H1 cars and beyond. and (c) as a class that would be the final step up before going to a full blown Pro Series such as World Challenge or Grand Am.
We are not saying that it will be cheaper to run in Honda Cup. But we are saying that engines should last longer... Time will tell.
Honda Cup also seems to be attracting a lot more Sponsor appeal, and even international attention, possibly because we are raising the bar so to speak?
Personally I don't want to see the SCCA/NASA become a them and us thing...
There are plenty competitors to have good fields in both series, depending on how far you want to go.
Apart from engine internals and some aerodynamic freedoms the Honda Cup cars are probably not going to be much faster than a good H1 car? So there is the ability for Honda Challenge guys to build a good strong engine and run it in "Honda Cup" occasionally.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (SS124A)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SS124A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NASA oWnZ j00
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
This i find this interesting and somewhat true... ALthough it doesnt take in account the majority of the SCCA, but the politics are somewhat irritating. Especially all the objections people make about certain cars when they get owned by them. SSB being one of those classes...
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
This i find this interesting and somewhat true... ALthough it doesnt take in account the majority of the SCCA, but the politics are somewhat irritating. Especially all the objections people make about certain cars when they get owned by them. SSB being one of those classes...
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (SS124A)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KIWI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">As one of the organizers of the new SCCA "Honda Cup" and a former competitor in NASA "Honda Challenge" I would strongly advise that if you have not raced at least at H1 level before... You should definitely go with "NASA Honda Challenge"
They certainly have a lot more Class Options for Honda's and it's far more suited to those who want to run on a Club Level budget.
Kiwi</TD></TR></TABLE>
What a great post Jeff. If this is the attitude most Cup and challenge racers will have, it will be a good thing for all!
I would completely agree with Jeff. Run Challenge to start!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SS124A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NASA oWnZ j00
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Guess you don't know much about how the new Honda Cup series rules are set-up!
They certainly have a lot more Class Options for Honda's and it's far more suited to those who want to run on a Club Level budget.
Kiwi</TD></TR></TABLE>
What a great post Jeff. If this is the attitude most Cup and challenge racers will have, it will be a good thing for all!
I would completely agree with Jeff. Run Challenge to start!
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SS124A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NASA oWnZ j00
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Guess you don't know much about how the new Honda Cup series rules are set-up!
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (prkiller)
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What a great post Jeff. If this is the attitude most Cup and challenge racers will have, it will be a good thing for all!
I would completely agree with Jeff. Run Challenge to start!
Guess you don't know much about how the new Honda Cup series rules are set-up! </TD></TR></TABLE>
So the SCCA is setting up a event similar to the Honda Challenge! thats intersesting, ill have to check that out...
What a great post Jeff. If this is the attitude most Cup and challenge racers will have, it will be a good thing for all!
I would completely agree with Jeff. Run Challenge to start!
Guess you don't know much about how the new Honda Cup series rules are set-up!
</TD></TR></TABLE>So the SCCA is setting up a event similar to the Honda Challenge! thats intersesting, ill have to check that out...
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (54321...)
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So the SCCA is setting up a event similar to the Honda Challenge! thats intersesting, ill have to check that out...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Come by the SCCA Booth (K300) at the LA AUTO SHOW this Saturday or Sunday and I'll tell you all about it...
Pick up a Membership pack at the show.
REMINDER TO ANY NON SCCA MEMBERS WHO WANT TO, OR INTEND TO RUN IN HONDA CUP....Make sure you get your SCCA Membership and Medical <U>NOW! </U>If you have raced with any other organization or series before... get your racing resume to CAL Club ASAP! Your previous racing experience will be taken into account, and you will be issued a Temporary SCCA Racing License to enable you to race at the first Honda Cup round at California Speedway until your full SCCA License is issued. (This normally takes a couple of weeks).
Existing Honda Challenge H1 Cars and drivers are all welcome... all you need is a full fire system and 2 extra straps under the Stock Fuel tank for your cars to be eligible. Check out the Honda Cup Rules...< http://www.honda-cup.com>.
Were all looking forward to a great weekends racing.
Good Luck
Kiwi
So the SCCA is setting up a event similar to the Honda Challenge! thats intersesting, ill have to check that out...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Come by the SCCA Booth (K300) at the LA AUTO SHOW this Saturday or Sunday and I'll tell you all about it...
Pick up a Membership pack at the show.
REMINDER TO ANY NON SCCA MEMBERS WHO WANT TO, OR INTEND TO RUN IN HONDA CUP....Make sure you get your SCCA Membership and Medical <U>NOW! </U>If you have raced with any other organization or series before... get your racing resume to CAL Club ASAP! Your previous racing experience will be taken into account, and you will be issued a Temporary SCCA Racing License to enable you to race at the first Honda Cup round at California Speedway until your full SCCA License is issued. (This normally takes a couple of weeks).
Existing Honda Challenge H1 Cars and drivers are all welcome... all you need is a full fire system and 2 extra straps under the Stock Fuel tank for your cars to be eligible. Check out the Honda Cup Rules...< http://www.honda-cup.com>.
Were all looking forward to a great weekends racing.
Good Luck
Kiwi
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (KIWI)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KIWI »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">REMINDER TO ANY NON SCCA MEMBERS WHO WANT TO, OR INTEND TO RUN IN HONDA CUP....Make sure you get your SCCA Membership and Medical <U>NOW! </U>If you have raced with any other organization or series before... get your racing resume to CAL Club ASAP! Your previous racing experience will be taken into account, and you will be issued a Temporary SCCA Racing License to enable you to race at the first Honda Cup round at California Speedway until your full SCCA License is issued. (This normally takes a couple of weeks).</TD></TR></TABLE>
SAY WHAT?!?!
temporary license?!?
other racing experience taken into account?!?
has SoCal SCCA been taken over by aliens? This is most definitely not my fathers SCCA. When I took my SCCA school they asked me if I had any racing experience. I told them I had NASA and BMW CCA comp licenses. Their reply: then you don't have any racing experience.
Sounds like good things are happening in SoCal SCCA!
SAY WHAT?!?!
temporary license?!?
other racing experience taken into account?!?
has SoCal SCCA been taken over by aliens? This is most definitely not my fathers SCCA. When I took my SCCA school they asked me if I had any racing experience. I told them I had NASA and BMW CCA comp licenses. Their reply: then you don't have any racing experience.
Sounds like good things are happening in SoCal SCCA!
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (greasemonkeysteve)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by greasemonkeysteve »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but what one is better in SoCal? HondaCup or HondaChallange? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Whichever one GhettoDEer is making "k-sizzle international" promotions for, so you better check with him to make sure you're in Hot Option video!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Whichever one GhettoDEer is making "k-sizzle international" promotions for, so you better check with him to make sure you're in Hot Option video!
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (.RJ)
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i would think that the honda cup is for those with more seat time and racing experience and bigger budgets. H4/H3/H2 honda challenge seem like a great place to start (and stay) racing. when the lude gets built i'll by racing myself in H2 unless someone wants to bring out some HyPe-R's by 2007
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i would think that the honda cup is for those with more seat time and racing experience and bigger budgets. H4/H3/H2 honda challenge seem like a great place to start (and stay) racing. when the lude gets built i'll by racing myself in H2 unless someone wants to bring out some HyPe-R's by 2007
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (JoelG)
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Sounds like good things are happening in SoCal SCCA!</TD></TR></TABLE>
They sure are...
Perhaps the time for a long awaited change is here?
We intend to make this thing work! We have the people with the marketing talents to make it work! A series by the drivers, for the drivers!
I, as much as anyone am astounded at the enthusiasm this "Honda Cup Series" has generated in Cal Club, we thank everyone for that. And the enthusiasm is growing rapidly across the country! Runoffs in 2006????
Kiwi
Sounds like good things are happening in SoCal SCCA!
</TD></TR></TABLE>They sure are...
Perhaps the time for a long awaited change is here?
We intend to make this thing work! We have the people with the marketing talents to make it work! A series by the drivers, for the drivers!
I, as much as anyone am astounded at the enthusiasm this "Honda Cup Series" has generated in Cal Club, we thank everyone for that. And the enthusiasm is growing rapidly across the country! Runoffs in 2006????
Kiwi
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (SS124A)
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SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Que le ****?
Unless I've gone totally mad, the SCCA offers larger fields, broader car options (formula and sport racers in addition to production-based), and a national championship.
I'm not aware of anybody buying championships, other than the money it takes to run a nationally competitive effort. And the last time I checked, the top guns in the popular NASA series were dumping gobs of money into development as well.
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Que le ****?
Unless I've gone totally mad, the SCCA offers larger fields, broader car options (formula and sport racers in addition to production-based), and a national championship.
I'm not aware of anybody buying championships, other than the money it takes to run a nationally competitive effort. And the last time I checked, the top guns in the popular NASA series were dumping gobs of money into development as well.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (Crack Monkey)
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I'm not aware of anybody buying championships, other than the money it takes to run a nationally competitive effort. And the last time I checked, the top guns in the popular NASA series were dumping gobs of money into development as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats correct... I don't know of any Championships currently for sale? But in my opinion, last years NASA Honda Challenge National Champ paid a very high price for his Championship Win? However, the "Runner up" won all the <U>respect!</U>
As one of those Top Teams who were formerly dumping gobs of money into development under the False economy of "Honda Challenge" Rules, we now believe that "Honda Cup" Rules will be much more "Cost Effective."
Time will Tell?
I'm not aware of anybody buying championships, other than the money it takes to run a nationally competitive effort. And the last time I checked, the top guns in the popular NASA series were dumping gobs of money into development as well.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thats correct... I don't know of any Championships currently for sale? But in my opinion, last years NASA Honda Challenge National Champ paid a very high price for his Championship Win? However, the "Runner up" won all the <U>respect!</U>
As one of those Top Teams who were formerly dumping gobs of money into development under the False economy of "Honda Challenge" Rules, we now believe that "Honda Cup" Rules will be much more "Cost Effective."
Time will Tell?
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (SS124A)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SS124A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NASA oWnZ j00
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You just trolling?!?!?! SCCA may be ghey because IT is 20 years out of date, the cars don't look like race cars to any1 under the age of 50, and the rules, classes, and min weights are FBR, but as Mr Monkey very well points out, no1 is buying championships, the drivers are faster, the fields are bigger, and the competition is higher.
Since every1 is so hung up in H1 and Honda Cup, I will point out that H2/H3 <-> ITS, H4 <-> ITA, and H5 <-> ITC are very similar. One can build a car for both sides without much compromise.
SCCA is ghey with all its politics and fat old rich people who enjoy buying champion ships...</TD></TR></TABLE>
You just trolling?!?!?! SCCA may be ghey because IT is 20 years out of date, the cars don't look like race cars to any1 under the age of 50, and the rules, classes, and min weights are FBR, but as Mr Monkey very well points out, no1 is buying championships, the drivers are faster, the fields are bigger, and the competition is higher.
Since every1 is so hung up in H1 and Honda Cup, I will point out that H2/H3 <-> ITS, H4 <-> ITA, and H5 <-> ITC are very similar. One can build a car for both sides without much compromise.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (SPiFF)
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the drivers are faster, the fields are bigger, and the competition is higher.
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An SCCA race weekend at Road Atlanta draws about 200 or more race entrants. I think the NASA races draw about 75. Same type of ratios for VIR and Summit Point (this doesn't count DE, which isn't racing and SCCA doesn't do).
But hey, at least the SCCA guys are faster as a whole. Actually much faster.
Mr. Spiff can run top 5 overall in a Honda Challenge/Smallbore race. At an SCCA race he's bottom 3rd of the grid. Not picking on Spiffster, as he well knows, thats just facts man.
As to whats happening in California, hell... who knows.
Scott, who invites any NASA person who takes the above attitude toward SCCA to come on out and get their *** whipping at an SCCA race (I know I did a couple of years ago).
the drivers are faster, the fields are bigger, and the competition is higher.
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An SCCA race weekend at Road Atlanta draws about 200 or more race entrants. I think the NASA races draw about 75. Same type of ratios for VIR and Summit Point (this doesn't count DE, which isn't racing and SCCA doesn't do).
But hey, at least the SCCA guys are faster as a whole. Actually much faster.
Mr. Spiff can run top 5 overall in a Honda Challenge/Smallbore race. At an SCCA race he's bottom 3rd of the grid. Not picking on Spiffster, as he well knows, thats just facts man.
As to whats happening in California, hell... who knows.
Scott, who invites any NASA person who takes the above attitude toward SCCA to come on out and get their *** whipping at an SCCA race (I know I did a couple of years ago).
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (Catch 22)
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An SCCA race weekend at Road Atlanta draws about 200 or more race entrants. I think the NASA races draw about 75. Same type of ratios for VIR and Summit Point (this doesn't count DE, which isn't racing and SCCA doesn't do).
But hey, at least the SCCA guys are faster as a whole. Actually much faster.
Mr. Spiff can run top 5 overall in a Honda Challenge/Smallbore race. At an SCCA race he's bottom 3rd of the grid. Not picking on Spiffster, as he well knows, thats just facts man.
As to whats happening in California, hell... who knows.
Scott, who invites any NASA person who takes the above attitude toward SCCA to come on out and get their *** whipping at an SCCA race (I know I did a couple of years ago).</TD></TR></TABLE>
YEAH!
TAKE THAT!
AND THAT!
Scott, who says "And DTM racers are even faster than SCCA racers!"....is this where the mobile brawl that is H-T in the off season is meeting now?
An SCCA race weekend at Road Atlanta draws about 200 or more race entrants. I think the NASA races draw about 75. Same type of ratios for VIR and Summit Point (this doesn't count DE, which isn't racing and SCCA doesn't do).
But hey, at least the SCCA guys are faster as a whole. Actually much faster.
Mr. Spiff can run top 5 overall in a Honda Challenge/Smallbore race. At an SCCA race he's bottom 3rd of the grid. Not picking on Spiffster, as he well knows, thats just facts man.
As to whats happening in California, hell... who knows.
Scott, who invites any NASA person who takes the above attitude toward SCCA to come on out and get their *** whipping at an SCCA race (I know I did a couple of years ago).</TD></TR></TABLE>
YEAH!
TAKE THAT!
AND THAT!
Scott, who says "And DTM racers are even faster than SCCA racers!"....is this where the mobile brawl that is H-T in the off season is meeting now?
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (Catch 22)
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Yeah.
I'm working my way thru the list towards that.
Scott, who is having more trouble managing the top of the list lately than he'd like...
Yeah.
I'm working my way thru the list towards that.
Scott, who is having more trouble managing the top of the list lately than he'd like...
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (RR98ITR)
I'd love to work on my car right now as I have the urge to tinker since I can't drive it. Problem is that nothing needs to be done.
Maybe I should break something so I can fix it.
Maybe I should break something so I can fix it.
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Re: whats bigger in SoCal? NASA or SCCA (Catch 22)
Blake has to build a Spec Pinata cage before driver's school. Plus, the shocks are still at Ground Control, so it is kind of immobile right now.
I guess I could re-build the front calipers, but that would require me to get dirty. Wanna do that?
I guess I could re-build the front calipers, but that would require me to get dirty. Wanna do that?