ok ok... i did search, but nada for b16 vs aebs im #'s! plenty for b18's (2-6 hp over ITR), but what about gains i might expect from an aebs im on a 00 Si B16???

thanks

 

bump cuz i would like to know too!

 

better and smoother air flow = HP

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DIFFUT’S INC. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">better and smoother air flow = HP</TD></TR></TABLE>

right, but no #'s????


or simple logic = B16&lt;ITR&lt;AEBS (how much does an ITR make on a B16??? then just add a few HP)

 

bump cause i wanna know!

 

NOBODY?

 

c'mon

 

300HP!!

actually, im thinking of porting and installing my AEBS on my 1st gen b16 this weekend. maybe ill throw it on the dyno for some before and after....

 

^^ im planning on getting one for my jdm b16 also let me know how it goes

 

look for it next week.
unfortunatly, i wont be able to swap TB's at the same time so its prb gonna be
OEM 1st gen b16 IM Vs AEBS/ITR TB

if anyone has a 2nd gen b16 mani thats got EVERYTHING (including TB) on it PM me ill throw it on and test it too

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ajjohnsonnc1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok ok... i did search, but nada for b16 vs aebs im #'s! plenty for b18's (2-6 hp over ITR), but what about gains i might expect from an aebs im on a 00 Si B16???

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I do know that we've seen very minimal gains on top in a stock b16a with 2nd gen b16 manifold vs. ITR ... the ITR manifold lagged slightly in the bottom ~ 3-5.5krpm if i remember ... I think it has to do with smaller diameter runners vs smaller displacement motors ... makes sense why Toda designed a 48mm ITB for the CTR motor ...

greg

 

i have a crx with almost stock ls swap and b16 tranny. my friend has a sir2 motor swap in his eg coupe. we have always been very close to equal in a drag race. we did his aebs mani and then raced and i pulled on him hard after it was on. maybe it needs to be tuned or something but i will tell you i dont think he got any more power from it. i think that you must need some kinda mods like cams to see some gains.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by erebunicrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have a crx with almost stock ls swap and b16 tranny. my friend has a sir2 motor swap in his eg coupe. we have always been very close to equal in a drag race. we did his aebs mani and then raced and i pulled on him hard after it was on. maybe it needs to be tuned or something but i will tell you i dont think he got any more power from it. i think that you must need some kinda mods like cams to see some gains.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's not accurate at all. There's way too many factors, from driver error, to tire/road conditions, etc.

 

whats not accurate about that? we race on the same road all the time, we did not change tires or nothing. bottom line my car was faster after he installed the intake manifold. first off the car has no bottom end att all and then add a bigger im on a pretty much stock motor and not tune it. it lost more. Done

 

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Ya, the P30 manifold is suposed to be the one to beat. If i didn't live so far away up here in Canada, i'd send you one.

 

I know back from the dead and all but I have a book with nothing but honda dyno runs and on a b16 they tried every IM that there was from stock to aftermarket and the IM that outperformed EVERY other was a ported b16IM. It got some rediculous gain of like 7 hp mid to upper rpm band as opposed to stock b16 IM and all the others actually showed hp losses even the ITR manifold. And the author/tester was some guy who was big in autoxing he had pics of his del sol in some events. I was just reading info on b16 dyno runs and thought I would shed some light on the info I have concerning intake manifolds. If anyone calls b.s I will get the book later and post the name of it if anyone's interested, my buddy has it right now.

 

Does anyone know the weight difference between these two intake manifolds?

 

We've seen the AEBS vs ITR manifold comparison.

But i have to say, whether a B16, B18, or B20, i've personally never seen any manifold making more average hp up to about 8000 rpms than the p30 manifold.

The p30 manifold for most setups dominates up to 8000 rpms. And if i were to rev to about 8500, i would choose a PORTED P30 manifold.

However, i like this thread, this is a new comparison.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16EJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know back from the dead and all but I have a book with nothing but honda dyno runs and on a b16 they tried every IM that there was from stock to aftermarket and the IM that outperformed EVERY other was a ported b16IM. It got some rediculous gain of like 7 hp mid to upper rpm band as opposed to stock b16 IM and all the others actually showed hp losses even the ITR manifold. And the author/tester was some guy who was big in autoxing he had pics of his del sol in some events. I was just reading info on b16 dyno runs and thought I would shed some light on the info I have concerning intake manifolds. If anyone calls b.s I will get the book later and post the name of it if anyone's interested, my buddy has it right now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have the same book, and saw similar gains on other dynos. Turbo Magazine had a dyno with their 200 HP project Integra.


Red is Type R or Skunk2 manifold on both dynos

P30 vs Skunk2 Turbo Magazine


P30 vs Type R Royal with Cheese's Setup




Modified by biassj at 10:48 PM 6/9/2005


Modified by biassj at 10:49 PM 6/9/2005


Modified by biassj at 10:49 PM 6/9/2005

 

which line is which?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JerseySiPOS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We've seen the AEBS vs ITR manifold comparison.

But i have to say, whether a B16, B18, or B20, i've personally never seen any manifold making more average hp up to about 8000 rpms than the p30 manifold.

The p30 manifold for most setups dominates up to 8000 rpms. And if i were to rev to about 8500, i would choose a PORTED P30 manifold.

However, i like this thread, this is a new comparison.

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I have seen this myself many times with the P30 and Del Sol IM's. It made me wonder if I should dump my Skunk2 IM for a b16 IM modified to fit my LS!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wantboost &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">which line is which?</TD></TR></TABLE>

IIRC, the red is type r

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JerseySiPOS &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">We've seen the AEBS vs ITR manifold comparison.

But i have to say, whether a B16, B18, or B20, i've personally never seen any manifold making more average hp up to about 8000 rpms than the p30 manifold.

The p30 manifold for most setups dominates up to 8000 rpms. And if i were to rev to about 8500, i would choose a PORTED P30 manifold.

However, i like this thread, this is a new comparison.

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yeah, thats great, but who do you know thats offering ported b16 manis that have been proven to make power???

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 92hatchattack &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yeah, thats great, but who do you know thats offering ported b16 manis that have been proven to make power???</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the Blox manifold is a ported B16 manifold, no? Someone correct me if im wrong. Other than that, i remember years ago, the Killer Bee manifold, but i don't think that went into production. Supposedly, it worked better than a stock b16 manifold up to 8k range.

Other than that, some porting on your own is good practice with the right tools.

 

is there a difference between the USDM ITR manifold and the JDM ITR manifold, cause I had heard that the JDM manifold had bigger runners than the USDM ITR. Any truth to this?