What do you guys think of the spoon pistons, cams, camshaft, TB, ventuli plate, flywheel and clutch, head gasket and plugs/wires?

Creating my list for summer mods, and wanted to add some bling to the car. For performance, is there better? Money really isnt a problem, just need good performance and reliability.

Is it a DIY?

And, i don't know **** about tuning, but i know it needs to be tuned after that kind of install.

Any input is app.

 

So you have a transparent block and head?

 

Don't forget the valvetrain to go with the new camshafts. And a Hondata to help tune all this stuff right.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr_dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What do you guys think of the spoon pistons, cams, camshaft, TB, ventuli plate, flywheel and clutch, head gasket and plugs/wires?

Creating my list for summer mods, and wanted to add some bling to the car. For performance, is there better? Money really isnt a problem, just need good performance and reliability.
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For cams I'd probably recommend you to go with Toda or Jun, something that makes a little more difference compared to the Spoon (of course, you will need the rest of your valvetrain upgraded).

 

Spoon Sports = show car JDM clean.

There are plenty of makers that offer products just as good and a whole lot cheaper. Don't jump on the JDM bandwagon.

Comp makes good cams so does Toda and others, Fidanza flywheels, Clutchmasters etc.

I would never spend all that money on a spoon part unless I really needed it.

AKA fan switch and thermostat which are basically mugen or spoon and relative price

 

.....i only like 3 things that spoon makes:

calipers

gauge cluster

k20R

buy those three and you're all set.

 

HAHAHAHA.

Nice

A: could just buy the fast brakes whole front set up (11.75" for the cost of the spoon calipers
http://www.fastbrakes.com/prod...g1175
cost 1,300 for the rotors, calipers, and EVERYTHING
http://www.jhpusa.com/catalog/...6694f
Spoon Calipers 1,550!!! 250 more for JUST calipers

B: ummm if I want to pay 800-1200 for a cluster then I'll spend the extra money for a stack and actually get some use or just buy a ton of gauges and monitor EVERYTHING
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1028021
vs
http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/
ALMOST the same cost for the stack (1400 vs 1200 and when you get that high like it matters) and all the data aquisition you could ever want.

C: ummm what K20R, you mean there overpriced balanced and blueprinted engine? If I want an endurance motor under STRICT rules I think that I'll buy it from a place where I know that I can replace the parts quickly.

I don't hate spoon. Spoon is just some JDM fad cause the other tuning companies in Japan work on cars like BNR-34's and what not. Endurance racing is endurance racing.... but how many guys here endurance race there cars? True street driving is hard on a motor but I would rather get a Ktecpro hondata, Toda A's, and bolt ons to a K20A anyday.

Those are my two cents.

 

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calipers

gauge cluster

k20R

buy those three and you're all set. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well Spoon Carbon Kevlar buckets are too shabby, even if I'm to fat to fit in them

They also made a nice oil pan:

 

Yeah the oil pan is in the same category as the Mugen and extra baffle stock pans. Spoon does make some good ****.... Just what other good **** can you get for the price to spend more time actually on the tr ack

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kengs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They also made a nice oil pan:</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is that for b18 motors?

 

Whats the capacity on that thing?

 

all spoon pictons are, are oem jdm itr pistons that a balanced

spoon cams for less money you can get soem toda B's and they are much nicer cams and make better power

spoon throttle body is just a oem jdm itr thats tapered a little
ericks racing or other companies make better ones for cheaper and make more power

ventuli plate, its kinda rumored to make power, but its pretty much worthless unless you track your car hardcore

again with the clutch and flywheel, exedy is better and a hell of alot cheaper
for flywheel, go with a toda there real nice and again cheaper

head gasket, again other companies, same quality less price from other companies

plugs and wires, way to expensive, there only for jdm bling, all you need is a set of ngk plugs and wires, there a 10th of the price, and same thing

like people said above they do make a couple nice parts, but all they really are, are jdm bling, they are incredable way overpriced, and dont perfome anywhere near they should to constitute a price half of what they ask for there parts

your money is best spent elsewhere if your really looking for performance, but if you want jdm bling and bragging rights spoon is your company


and for tuning when you do decide on your parts, hondata or aem ems are the ways to go, a little expensive to start of but it grows with you and will always make good power, and keep the car running good, because of the extensive tuning capabilities they both have

 

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all spoon pictons are, are oem jdm itr pistons that a balanced

spoon cams for less money you can get soem toda B's and they are much nicer cams and make better power

spoon throttle body is just a oem jdm itr thats tapered a little
ericks racing or other companies make better ones for cheaper and make more power

ventuli plate, its kinda rumored to make power, but its pretty much worthless unless you track your car hardcore

again with the clutch and flywheel, exedy is better and a hell of alot cheaper
for flywheel, go with a toda there real nice and again cheaper

head gasket, again other companies, same quality less price from other companies

plugs and wires, way to expensive, there only for jdm bling, all you need is a set of ngk plugs and wires, there a 10th of the price, and same thing

like people said above they do make a couple nice parts, but all they really are, are jdm bling, they are incredable way overpriced, and dont perfome anywhere near they should to constitute a price half of what they ask for there parts

your money is best spent elsewhere if your really looking for performance, but if you want jdm bling and bragging rights spoon is your company


and for tuning when you do decide on your parts, hondata or aem ems are the ways to go, a little expensive to start of but it grows with you and will always make good power, and keep the car running good, because of the extensive tuning capabilities they both have</TD></TR></TABLE>

HELL YES

Exactly what I said. Glad to see someone doesnt ooo and ahhh at spoon all the time.
oil pan is for B16 and B18's, inlinefour.com

 

Thanks alot guys. I am looking for all performance, so if there is better stuff out there than spoon and less money, i am down. It's not a show car, just pure performance. What an R should be.


Again, thanks for the input, especially you 01-0720

 

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Again, thanks for the input, especially you 01-0720 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Hail to a new member not aborbed by random **** that only was made for one year and while it looks ugly it is rare so it must be good. haha just playin but glad to see a new R owner know this, Im lucky I had a shop to teach me all this, Payntech. Hopefully you've all heard by now. Good luck itr_dc2 and peace.

 

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Again, thanks for the input, especially you 01-0720 </TD></TR></TABLE>

Way to keep an open mind.

While your mind is open, do you mind if I whisper Turbo in your ear?



If you THINK about it, it's cheaper than all-motor!

 

Spoon makes some good parts. Calipers are sick

 

if *Money really isnt a problem* like u said, go with something else if u want good performance

 

spoon gasket are nice. higher comp. ratio.

cams i would probably go with toda cams and valve train instead.
pistons same i would either go with a ctr pistons or usdm counter parts (je, arias etc.)

plug wires are good, although you probably won't get any extra powerr out of them, they will practically last you a lifetime.

ventully plate .. only if you have a virgin head, (unported)

clutch for alot less i would go get a exedy, (they make spoon's clutch)

f/w are good depending on how much you can get it. you might want to look at toda f/w also.

t/b are practically stock only bored out on the outside, if you like a stock look they are good. other than that o get a real 70mm t/b such as rpm or bbk...

as for the calipers, i think they are good. i don't think fastbrakes fit under 15" rims.

 

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They also made a nice oil pan:

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This is not the standard Spoon B-series oil pan is it? In the pics I have seen of a Spoon oil pan it just looks like a baffled stocker, this one has a lot of extra work done. Please tell more about this one, like price and such.

 

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I would like to know this also.

Spoon also has a nice radiator cap and oil cap - not to mention magnetic drain plugs.....

 

I wish money wasnt a problem for me.

Id have to agree with Chris on this one...go turbo. if you dont want HUGE power, just go with a small set up, you could even run on the stock internals (though I would recommend beefing it up anyway). Or, maybe even the JRSC. So many options when money isnt a factor lol.

and no matter what you do, engine management is key so make sure you have access to a capable tuner.

 

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Spoon also has a nice radiator cap and oil cap - not to mention magnetic drain plugs..... </TD></TR></TABLE>

aj-racing.com

 

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aj-racing.com </TD></TR></TABLE>

That oil pan isnt on Aj's website - think before you post?

 

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Let me give you a few pointers, if HP is your aim.

First of all, do the basics before you do something else. The package you start out with before going crazy, is whats going to carry your setup along the road of tuningfrenzy. If its true that money isnt an issue, you should get the utlimate bling and power intake - the Mugen Airbox.

Second, get a good exhaust system. Id reccomend a SMSP header, and a nice 2.5" SS catback like say T1R or something similar. Wanna go really bling? Get the BC III.

If that isn't enough HP gain for you, start workin on the engine. Have the block bored to 81.25mm, properly honed, and get a nice set of CP forged 81.25mm 12.4:1 pistons. If you'd like a lighter drivetrain, a set of Cunningham Lightweight rods. Also, make sure to get new sets of bearings for your rods and crank, and if you can spend the little extra, get the crank balanced. If you wanna go really crazy, Im sure Dart will welcome you as their customer.

Pics of the rods here:





Now - if THAT isnt enough, start workin on your head. With a rebuild like this you can't afford NOT to have your head and deck resurfaced. There is no need for milling. Get a new OEM headgasket as well. I'd suggest getting a good portjob done too! Many seem to think that increased airflow is the ultimate answer, obviously they are wrong. The RIGHT flow is the right answer - and for that you need someone skilled with B series head. Without going into discussion, I would first and foremost recommend Rocket on M24X, Portflow or MAX_CFM. There are TONS to choose from. Please keep in mind that these are MY personal favorites.

As for valvetrain and camshafts - you can't go wrong - powerwise - with RM. If you wanna go strong, chose the M24X (IN: 298/12.7 | EX: 305/12.1). Entire valvetrain and camshaft package is decent priced, and offers great performance.

Picture of the M22 camshafts:





And the entire valvetrain package:



Last but not least - tuning. I say Hondata, but others may tell you to go for something more expensive and fancy. IMHO Hondata S200 with the right options will get the job done. Make sure you let someone SKILLED do the tuning. You can't really go cheap on this - at least if durability is your goal. Remember - stoich is for pussies!