hey guys im think of putting a turbo kit together into my rex. i have a stock b16 in it currrently and i wanna push around 6lbs of boost. well first what size turbo should i get? what should i do for fuel management and what size injectors? also would i need a missing link? please help im a little new to the turbo stuff. i know the basics though

 

you need to search
Look for stuff about block building and compression and whatnot. 6-8 could be safe on stock interanals with the proper fuel management

 

Youve been here almost a year. You should know where to look....

FI forum. Plenty of setups in there.

 

well 6-8 lbs is a safe amount to boost on a stock internals, but you should look into some good fuel management and some bigger injectors to achieve the most out of that 6-8 lbs

 

come on guys dont flame me..... i just want strait answers. i have seen many setups. thats why i am debating on so many things. maybe you can post what you have too. im really thinkin a t3 turbo, i have eclipse turbo injectors but, im a littleworried that they are too big. just lookin to see what else i would need to boost properly. let me know what you think

 

use a FMU and VAFC or SAFC and find some1 who is good in tuning. also and low compression head gasket and a blockguard should help you not worry about your stock internals too.

 

DSM Injectors will be fine. They are good for 300+ hp with stock fuel pressures.

I assume the car is obd0? If you are only planning to run under 10psi i would reccomend sending your ECU to Xenocron (thats his screename on these boards) and getting it chipped with a bastune, then ultimately DL the turboEDIT software onto a cd, take it to a shop and have the car tuned at final boost settings. The whole TurboEDIT system will cost no more than $150. I think if you goto Xenocron.com it shows a price of $75 for him to chip & socket your ECU including a basemap, and if you are close to him, he will tune your car. All you have to do is tell him specifics on your setup and his basetune will be pretty good. Try SEARCHING for him on these boards.

It also sounds to me that you are daily driving this car and thats why you want a straight T3. In my opinion with a stock b16 you should use a t3/t04e from http://www.cheapturbo.com for $600. I recommend specs of .48ar ex 50 trim turbo. It should spool fast and flow considerably more CFM that a straight T3 would. If you ware planning on a T3 I would look no further than a Super 60 T3 from http://www.cheapturbo.com, but i would not go with this turbo. I run a T3 60 trim on my LS b.c it works well with the engine and creates a good amount of torque. With a b16 you want to take advantage of the high revving capabilities.

For you intercooler i would recommend a http://www.johnnyracecar.com 8inch. They are great priced and should support 300+ hp. There is a 5+ page thread on that intercooler right now. Feel free to SEARCH for it because i am not.

For a manifold i would recommend a Spoolin Performance log manifold. If you were going for more HP i would recommend my good friends company Neukin (see sig link), but since you arent going to be pushing anything over 300hp go with Spoolin. He has a deal right now for $400 you get mani, 3inch downpipe, and a wastegate dump tube. I think his name here on HT is Spoolindc2, i may be wrong nut if you SEARCH for Spoolin Performance.

Blow off valve: go with a 1st gen dsm BOV. They are fine for these boost levels and can beat had cheap. They also share the same flange as a Greddy Type-S, so if you wanted to upgrade later you could.

Wastegate: SEARCH I dont feel like typing much more.


There, if you follow you have a setup that will spool quick, be reliable, and provide the best bang for the buck. Plus it will be good up to 300whp with fuel requirements being the only thing holding it back.

List
Ecu $75 - Xencron socket and basetune
Turbo $600 - Cheapturbo.com .48ar 50 trim t3/to4e
Mani $400 - Spoolin Performance
Dp 3inch - Spoolin Performance
WG dump - Spoolin Performance
WG $200 - Your choice
FMIC $205 - JohnnyRaceCar
I/C piping $100 - DIY
Oil lines $? i forgot to go over this cause its easy contact Flamenco-T


Also try providing more info like what your power goals are, daily driven car, hwo you want it to spool, how much you want to spend...


Also, a blockgaurd is useless unless you want te rebuild your engine to install it correctly. The headgasket would be a good idea. The SAFC or FMU isnt...


Modified by untitled at 10:13 AM 12/26/2004

 

http://wwww.xenocron.com he has a website.

Check out DSMtrader.com for the injectors and bov.. those things go CHEAP there.

I say you get a clutch too, if you don't already have one. Don't forget gauges, a boost, fuel press, and egt would be nice. Stay away from FMUs as well... xenocron is deff the best bang for the buck way to go. And don't skip out on the fuel mods.. a b16 is good for that boost.. if it has the correct fuel! good luck sucka.

 

ythanx for alll of that info. this car is really not daily driven. so i really am not concerned with that issue. i do have msd ignition, a 255lph fuel pump and fuel pressure regulator and a genuine spoon mapped pwo ecu.. i have a turbo kinda... its from a starion or conquest. just a factory one. i beleive that a t3 right? i was lookin at the Greddy kit for the b series. what do you guys think of those? are they any good. i was lookin atthen one with the 18g turbo. what size is that though? i really appreceate all of the help so far. please lead me in the right direction.

also would it be best to get a turbo with an internal waste gate or external one? just a question i had

 

Greddy kits are alright,but here, check out my thread about people building their own kits opposed to buying a manufactured kit.. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1089271 You can find alot of useful info in their.


For the price of buying a kit you can build one for cheaper that will perform better, so why not just build a kit up.

The turbo you have from a Starion i believe is a 14b. It may be a t25. But either way its way smaller than the Greddy mitsu 18g. But i seriously think you will be happier with the t3t4 specified above.


Yea, youre definetly gonna have to ditch that ECU tune if you want it to last longer than 2 weeks under boost, mmmm'kay...

You'd have go with external gate with that t3/t4. Go with a Deltagate. They can be had for abotu 100 shipped.

But honestly, it sounds like you may not have alot of experience with all this. In the end if i were you, i would just buy a Greddy kit for $2k or under...


Good luck... If have any specific questions... PM me..

 

let me ask you this. would i be better off ditching the spoon ecu and running my stock pr3 with a fmu or running the spoon one with the fmu? im just saying to start it off. i have also looked at the drag turbo kits. are these any good? they come with a t3/t4. also what size is the 18g turbo that comes in the Greddy kit? kinda sounded like you refered to being a mitsubishi turbo

 

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Greddy uses Mitsubishi turbos. The 18g would be a little less thatn a .48ar 50trim .50ar comrpessor t3/t4.

Just for starting you would be best wiht sending that ECU to Xenocron, getting it chipped and runnign his bas tune in it. You DONT want to skimp on fuel managment. An FMU will be fine for 6psi w/stock injectors if it has a 12:1 disk but idk. Youre going to end up getting a better fuel management setup in the long run if you went with an FMU. I just dont trust them, and not alot of people do. Either way you need to ditch that Spoon program in your ecu. It increases timing which is the opposite of what you want with boost.

The Drag kits are a very good kit to go off of. They come with a Turbonetics t3/t4 54trim opposed to a Revhard kit which is a little more pricey and uses a 57 trim t3/t4.


But i repeat. I highly recommend not using a FMU. Why not just Have Xenocron do his thing for $75. Your gonna spend $100 on a FMU anyway? Go with a Xenocron base tune then get it tuned somewhere else later.

 

ya dood, forget about the fmu.. chipping the ecu is cheaper.. AND way better.

As for a kit goes.. noooooo way overpriced lol. It's not that hard to build a kit and I think you could use the experience. The only tricky part is getting the plumbing right.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ne3ek &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ya dood, forget about the fmu.. chipping the ecu is cheaper.. AND way better.

As for a kit goes.. noooooo way overpriced lol. It's not that hard to build a kit and I think you could use the experience. The only tricky part is getting the plumbing right. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I totally agree. Check out my post here

I have bought a Greddy kit and it was great. But then i built my own kit and it was tities...

If hes up for it, build your own kit. It will be more rewarding, but you gotta research and you gotta have resources and tools to do this.


BTW: ne3ek, PM me about the B-series mounts. I make solid bseries/EF motor mounts... I want your DA steering wheel...

 

sweet so i will buy another pr3 ecu and send it to him then. with the base map that he puts on it, do i need any othe device like a vafc to fine tune it? i am really considering now to just piece it togetther. thanx for the advice. what wastegate should i get and what size. i know that they have a certain psi spring too, but alot of them dont state what it is. so do you go by the size then.

 

nah thats the idea, the stock ecu is your management, it will control your fuel and ignitionso you don't have to buy any piggy back systems. You can fine tune it yourself if you get the rom burner and a wideband.