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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 08:55 AM
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Default NSX vs. ITR vs. GSR Caliper weights?

Tried searching under nsx calipers and didn't find anything that listed the different caliper weights between nsx, itr, legend gs, teg gsr.

Does anyone have this info?
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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Default Re: NSX vs. ITR vs. GSR Caliper weights? (n1div)

I couldn't help myself. I've been working solid for the past three days and been unable to get online.

My questions to you are: Why are you so curious about the weight? Has your question been asked with a train of thought to seek better performance? Or is it merely un-brided curiosity? If your answer is the first one, I think you may have some really strong personal issues that you may need to deal with. Not addressing these problem may precipitate into other crazy things like "Whats the weight differences between ITR vs. Spoon vs. Mugen shift *****" or, quite possibly: "What feels better on my *******? Snuggle 2-ply vs. Brawny paper towls vs. tube sock from droor"

Now on a serious note, it is very very likely that you can scour through all the helm's manuals and you will not find this information. Why is this? Because no one could give a ****.

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I couldn't help myself. I've been working solid for the past three days and been unable to get online.

My questions to you are: Why are you so curious about the weight? Has your question been asked with a train of thought to seek better performance? Or is it merely un-brided curiosity? If your answer is the first one, I think you may have some really strong personal issues that you may need to deal with. Not addressing these problem may precipitate into other crazy things like "Whats the weight differences between ITR vs. Spoon vs. Mugen shift *****" or, quite possibly: "What feels better on my *******? Snuggle 2-ply vs. Brawny paper towls vs. tube sock from droor"

Now on a serious note, it is very very likely that you can scour through all the helm's manuals and you will not find this information. Why is this? Because no one could give a ****.

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Why such an *******? Ever think that maybe, just maybe...he might be asking in terms of drag racing? Or...maybe, just because he's curious of how much of a difference there is.

I could be wrong...but considering that neither of us know, why bust his ***** so much?
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:17 PM
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I'm just messing with the guy. Was simply in a coy mood when I wrote it.

A good question from you though. Let's say he was doing it for drag racing, what would be the benifits of switching out your calipers as opposed to getting some racing pads? High cost to minor performance differences. Also, there is ample time on any drag strip to slow the car down safely which would totally negate any benifit of upgrading. Road racing maybe....

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:19 PM
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Umm...drag racing = lightweight everything. You don't need great brakes to slow down there, so you can get a smaller setup and save weight.
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:24 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm...drag racing = lightweight everything. You don't need great brakes to slow down there, so you can get a smaller setup and save weight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the NSX and Legend calipers bigger to compensate for more mass to stop and to decrease higher speed respectively? If this statement is true, then there is no weight benifit by switching. If anything, a few extra lbs. closer to the pavement would probably be safer.

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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You just don't get it do you? Many ITR owners that drag race do a 4 lug conversion w/GSR brakes. Road racers...no, but serious drag racers, yes. Less rotational mass via smaller rotor, and less overall weight via smaller caliper.

Ugh...I think I'm wasting my time.
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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Default Re: NSX vs. ITR vs. GSR Caliper weights? (Haleiwa-Brando)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I couldn't help myself. I've been working solid for the past three days and been unable to get online.

My questions to you are: Why are you so curious about the weight? Has your question been asked with a train of thought to seek better performance? Or is it merely un-brided curiosity? If your answer is the first one, I think you may have some really strong personal issues that you may need to deal with. Not addressing these problem may precipitate into other crazy things like "Whats the weight differences between ITR vs. Spoon vs. Mugen shift *****" or, quite possibly: "What feels better on my *******? Snuggle 2-ply vs. Brawny paper towls vs. tube sock from droor"

Now on a serious note, it is very very likely that you can scour through all the helm's manuals and you will not find this information. Why is this? Because no one could give a ****.

Aloha,
Brandon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tube sock from droor? Great idea! I'll have to try that...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I could be wrong...but considering that neither of us know, why bust his ***** so much?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, but I'm with Haleiwa-Brando on this one. I think it's a good thing to know what information matters, and what information doesn't matter. The weight of these various calipers isn't important, so the question is basically silly. to Haleiwa-Brando for pointing that out (and, in a very entertaining fashion, too!).
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:39 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You just don't get it do you? Ugh...I think I'm wasting my time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hmmmm. I guess I don't. Perhaps you are.

Could you do me a favor and quote the original poster of this thread so I can see where he said swap out the entire suspension to go four lug? I'd really appreciate that.

I have been under the simple impression that he simply wanted to know the weight difference in the calipers as in implying that he thinks every caliper is going to slide right onto an ITR rotor wham bam, have a good day.

Since your defending the guy in his quest for useless information, how about YOU help him and post the information he's requesting rather than "wasting your time"? Since I have wasted my time defending what is originally, pointless to begin with, I am now curious to see what the data is on these parts.

Could you give me wieght for each caliper, rotor and the rotational mass/unsprung weight for each set up? That would be great.

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tube sock from droor? Great idea! I'll have to try that...

Sorry, but I'm with Haleiwa-Brando on this one. I think it's a good thing to know what information matters, and what information doesn't matter. The weight of these various calipers isn't important, so the question is basically silly. to Haleiwa-Brando for pointing that out (and, in a very entertaining fashion, too!).</TD></TR></TABLE>
Funny...it means nothing here, but when someone pulls out some other random part in the name of weight savings, and they only drive around on the street; we applaud them. Yet, if someone might be swapping parts for real drag racing (like the member from NY w/the PY ITR earlier this year, don't remember the name), we become idiots.

Rotors = rotational mass. Smaller caliper = less weight as well. Smaller caliper = smaller rotor. I fail to see how we can deem this useless and all the other b.s. threads on here not.

I guess I'm in the minority here. ...down the tube it goes.
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rotors = rotational mass. Smaller caliper = less weight as well. Smaller caliper = smaller rotor. I fail to see how we can deem this useless</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's because the differences in weight between the various calipers mentioned are going to be no more than a few ounces. (Believe me, I know; I have one of each in my three-car garage.) The resulting differences in performance are going to be equally infinitesimal and thus totally insignificant.
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:49 PM
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Who are you guys to tell us, especially the thread starter, what is and is not a fair question? He asked a very succinct question, i dont see the problem.... the reason behind it is his own, no?

I don't even feel the need to justify WHY he is asking it - seems like a fair question. What the f*&$ is all the fuss about i.e. it being worthwhile. its a better question than most anything else posted here this... year.

Chris - going back to 'not paying attention to this site for several months if not longer' mode.
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:51 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's because the differences in weight between the various calipers mentioned are going to be no more than a few ounces. (Believe me, I know; I have one of each in my three-car garage.) The resulting differences in performance are going to be equally infinitesimal and thus totally insignificant.</TD></TR></TABLE>
See my post above Ken...time for me to pull a "D" on here again.

to me for actually wanting to help and instead of bash the guy right off the bat. Let's see more ITRs in the snow pics instead

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 01:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who are you guys to tell us, especially the thread starter, what is and is not a fair question?</TD></TR></TABLE>

When you tell me you're interested in buying my winter tires, and I'm holding off other buyers to give you a chance to buy them - then isn't it a fair question for me to ask you when you'd like to get them?

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris N &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who are you guys to tell us, especially the thread starter, what is and is not a fair question? He asked a very succinct question, i dont see the problem.... the reason behind it is his own, no?

I don't even feel the need to justify WHY he is asking it - seems like a fair question. What the f*&$ is all the fuss about i.e. it being worthwhile. its a better question than most anything else posted here this... year.

Chris - going back to 'not paying attention to this site for several months if not longer' mode. </TD></TR></TABLE>


i totally agree with you. Its not anyone elses place to care why he is asking. If we can't help him, we SHOULD either direct him to help or just not respond to the thread. There is to much honda on honda crime in here haha
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 02:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

It's because the differences in weight between the various calipers mentioned are going to be no more than a few ounces. (Believe me, I know; I have one of each in my three-car garage.) The resulting differences in performance are going to be equally infinitesimal and thus totally insignificant.
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NSX calipers are going to add more than "a few ounces"; NSX/Legend rotors are going to add even more. I remember when I switched from my Si front calipers/rotors to NA1 (NSX) calipers and redrilled Legend rotors, the added weight was around 5.5lbs - PER SIDE
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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 02:55 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kengs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NSX calipers are going to add more than "a few ounces"; NSX/Legend rotors are going to add even more. I remember when I switched from my Si front calipers/rotors to NA1 (NSX) calipers and redrilled Legend rotors, the added weight was around 5.5lbs - PER SIDE</TD></TR></TABLE>

And most of that weight difference was in the rotors. The difference in the weight of the calipers is just a few ounces. Heck, the entire caliper doesn't even weigh 5.5 pounds...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by n1div &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tried searching under nsx calipers and didn't find anything that listed the different caliper weights between nsx, itr, legend gs, teg gsr</TD></TR></TABLE>

Based on the CONTEXT of your other posts, you're asking because you're a road racer that wants to understand what his compromise will be, between braking performance and added unsprung weight. This is an EXCELLENT topic that I won't try to address here.

NSX Stockers weigh 14 lbs (not sure if &lt;97 or &gt;=97) according to an "email from Brian at Fastbrakes"
http://www.nsxprime.com/forums...088&s=

This guy MEASURED his NSX calipers at 12 lbs apiece.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=239844

sp00n klapperz weigh 5.22-5.24 lbs.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1031414

Wilwoods 4.3 lbs (according to Rene M)
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1031414 (Page 2)

Rob :190: says stock ITR calipers weigh ~12 lbs.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=346378

Legend caliper is ~12 lbs.
Brian at Fastbrakes says, "Wilwood Caliper around 8 lbs less than a 2 piston Legend caliper"
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=773227

"probably" Integra GSR with 10.3" rotors, 8 lbs. each
http://www.thewebsitewitch.com...q.htm
"How much does the 13" kit weigh?

The 13" rotor weighs 15 lbs. The stock 10.3" rotor weighs just under 12, so we are 3 pounds (or so) heavier. The Wilwood caliper weighs 2.5 lbs. The stock caliper to fit the 10.3" rotor weighs 8 lbs., so we are 5.5 lbs. lighter. Overall therefore, our kit saves about 2.5 lbs. per front wheel."

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Old Dec 23, 2004 | 06:34 PM
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Thanks for providing some actual numbers, Chris. I don't really care what the weight difference is, as I won't be messing with any of these conversions, but it is extraordinarily cool to see objective data in a tech thread
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by cheezthis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Umm...drag racing = lightweight everything. You don't need great brakes to slow down there, so you can get a smaller setup and save weight.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i suppose thats why alot of serious drag racers actually swap out the 5 lug from an itr for a 4 lug counterpart.... so would this not make your theory moot?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for providing some actual numbers, Chris. I don't really care what the weight difference is, as I won't be messing with any of these conversions, but it is extraordinarily cool to see objective data in a tech thread </TD></TR></TABLE>

You'd be surprised how long I spent on google, just to pull up some halfway-reasonable data. I was curious too, unsprung weight = teh lose.

Maybe if people would stop spelling it 'klappers' it'd be easier
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Old Dec 24, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Haleiwa-Brando &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"What feels better on my *******?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Absolutely nothing softer than 80 grit.
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itr and nsx calipers ARE identical in weight. it has been a few years since i weighed them so i forget the actual #, but it was identical. i think 1greyteg was there when i swapped. as far as gsr calipers are concerned, i haven't the slightest idea, guessing i would think a little lighter as they are physically smaller.
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