hey...

i did a search and i know you prolly get this everyday but i couldnt find anything...

dont know much about turbo set ups and what not...i here alot of horror stories about turboing stock motors and such...

i have a 99 si and im lookin to do a turbo set up...most likely a drag kit...with fuel tuning and stock PSI
my motor is stock and i do ALOT of driving about 130 miles a day its all freeway mileage
lookin to hit high 13's....i also need reliability!


am i just asking for trouble due to how much milage and having a stock motor??? ...any info and recomentdation are greatly appreciated!!!

 

ditch the fmu and get hondata

 

how will i benefit from hondata over FMU....like i said no to knowledgable YET about turbo set ups and upgrades

 

with hondata you can extract more power from it, remember tuning is the key

 

Definately, especially if your planning a 13 second car/ daily driver. this things going to need to be reliable enough to drive safely for that 130 miles a day. So, Hondata or some form of fully tunable ecu is definately a wise choice. The AFC hack is another option though not quite as safe/nice to have as a standalone.

 

id rather run a fmu than the hack,

if i were you i wouldnt do it until u can get some engine management, this way you can tune it, the better the tuning the more reliable you will be, get a boost controller and have them tune it for 10lbs, run 5 on the street and 10 at the track, u will be good to go!

 

Don't run the hack, no matter what.

Hondata would be awesome, but an FMU and fuel pump will suffice. No matter what route you take, take it to the dyno to be tuned.

If you have it tuned, and install the turbo kit correctly, you will be fine.

 

no knowledge on turbos eh??

i know how you feel.. gotta read a lot on it.. i'll give you some links to help you figure it out.. it helps to know how everything works, before you can make a decision on what you wanted..

i have a 2000 si.. almost same car as you
i first wanted a greddy or drag kit, because it seemed cheap and had almost everything.. but now i'm going wit a gt28rs t3 housing turbo.. and inlinepro mani

turbo/mani/IC is the most important hardware, try not to go cheap.. TUNING is very crucial.. hondata or aem ems is what most people would perfer. aem ems seems expensive but hondata prices add up if you wanna tune your self..

I think you should read this first if you have no idea about turbos
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm


good site to give you some to start off with
http://forums.clubsi.com/showf...age=0
and this one
http://www.boosted-hybrid.com/viewtopic.php?t=421

Getting a helms book wouldnt' hurt.. and try to find someone that knows a lot around your area that can help you.. thats what i did and i talk to people online who know their **** a lot

good luck.. pm me if you have any questions.. i'm still learning too

 

drag kit/maxrev kit/revhard kit, t3t04e turbo
rc 550 injectors
walbro 255lph hp fuel pump
p28 ecu
obd2-1 harness
hondata s200b
custom 3inch exhaust w/preferred muffler
boost/egt gauges
stage 3 clutch
6 psi wastegate spring
turbo timer
get tuned by church automotive
= mid 13's reliable daily driver

that's what my setup is basically, cept i have a maxrev manifold.

 

get hondata and take it to a RELIABLE tuner. with a good set of drag radials, a greddy profec b w/remote switch for a two stage boost setup, you could easily hit low 13's possibly high 12's in an si/turbo. hondata will keep it somewhat reliable.


if you want an example, my car is daily driven, ive had it for just over a year. when i got her, she had ~60,000 miles on her. she now has ~80,000 miles on her, and has been boosted since march. ive had no serious running issues, and im trying my damndest to break high 11's without any weight reduction or slicks. and the internals? 100% stock......well, its got a cometic head gasket...

 

hey thanx alot this helps out alot...

i believe there a few different hondata set ups out there...what one would you guys recomend and average price if you know?

 

ive got s200b.

seems to work just fine.

 

price please

 

i haven't seen that alot of people running the hack with success

 

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well, i got mine from a guy that had ordered it for his friend, and his friend backed out on him. i got my whole hondata setup for ~ 750$.

 

check out lightningmotorsports.com

They have good deals on it

 

hondata s200b will run you about $450ish, p28 is $125?, obd2-1 $100?... check out wiredspeed for hondata

 

My friends 99 turbo SI runs like a dream. No problems whatsoever, and he has a long freeway commute as well everyday

Of course it runs awesome, it was tuned by st00pid

 

youll be fine with it as your daily driver....run mild boost and have it tuned properly....get a Neptune or a Hondata.

 

im assuming you cant run hondata obd-2 ecu??? if you can why must i get a P28...so i can get it re chipped?

 

http://www.hondata.com

 

If you want to have a reliable car, I wouldn't get a turbo. Even if you have the best tuner in the world. If you have a FWD turbo car and you have to go 130 miles on a freeway, your going to blow it. That extra power that you'll have under you right foot is going to make you get on it. Even if you dont race, you will. Trust me, your going to regret turboing your car. If you also dont have a place to tune atleast hondata (or any of those others like it), then you dont have a chance of making your motor last under the best possible conditions . It take great responsability, owning a turbo car. My car was made for turbo charging and it took me 3 years and several motor later to learn that.

On a side note: I hate it when my cars down, but its worth seeing someones face after you just beat there *** in a race.

I also dont have to go back and forth 130 miles to school or work and can use my moms truck when I need too because she works from home. So for me it works and for you it might not.

 

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On a side note: I hate it when my cars down, but its worth seeing someones face after you just beat there *** in a race.

I also dont have to go back and forth 130 miles to school or work and can use my moms truck when I need too because she works from home. So for me it works and for you it might not.</TD></TR></TABLE>

you are smoking crack, best tuner in the world and the car will still blow huh?.. wow.. maybe you need a good tuner, 3 motors on a car that comes boosted from the factory?... c'mon now, don't give this guy false information, doesn't matter how many miles you travel a day, as long as youre not an idiot, you won't blow if tuned right..

 

oh so true

 

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you are smoking crack, best tuner in the world and the car will still blow huh?.. wow.. maybe you need a good tuner, 3 motors on a car that comes boosted from the factory?... c'mon now, don't give this guy false information, doesn't matter how many miles you travel a day, as long as youre not an idiot, you won't blow if tuned right.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you get on your car how long do you think it'll last? Also, who buys a turbo kit not to get on it? How long do you think a stock Honda motor will last being turboed and making at least 230 whp, because this guy wants to run 13s? I'm pretty sure there are people out there who have had there motors tuned and have still blown it. People have blown tuned all-motor cars but, Im willing to bet more people have blown up more turbo motors. I'm not going to tell you that if you drive the car normal its not going to last, because it should. If your going to tell me that you feel comfortable driving a turbo Honda 130 miles and the car is going to be reliable, then I'll call you a liar. If you do the math, 180 days (which is less the half of a year) times 130 miles a day is 23,400 miles. How many turbo Honda on a stock motor last that long, without having some type of motor or turbo issue which would leave him on the side of the road? Their might be some people who have had there motor's last longer, but compared to the majority of turbo Honda owners, it isn't a good number. Highways runs are the worst for any turbo car because, of the load it puts on a motor, if he did race it on the freeway. Reliable to me, is having a motor last with out putting a number on how long it will last. If your going to tell the guy who started this tread that, if he turbos his car and tunes it he will have no problem's then ill call you a liar again. Turbo's are known for making power but, it doesn't useally come reliably for most of us. I'm not going to say that you don't have a point, Im just going to say don't let people go out on a limb. Tell them how it is, if he wants to take a chance then let him do it. The truth is, he will be like the most of us who at some point and will break something. I would not recommend a turbo car for anyone who wants a reliable car for this reason, with added power comes added stress and **** happens. By the way, I replaced or rebuilt my motors even if it I blew a head gasket which happen once. The 2nd time I had a faulty water pump , but it was too much heat from a boosted motor, so I replaced it after looking at my spark plugs. The 3rd time I was racing a civic with a semi-built gsr swap w/ a 100 shot. I already killed him in the 1/4 (which is what my car was tuned for) but I kept going. I didn't have an egt gauge so In 5th gear at 140mph my car started losing power and it was because I cracked a stock piston. So I rebuilt another motor and thru it in my car.